Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
Since the very terms you are using are dogmatic terms, the only you can avoid discussing dogma (or getting hounded for doing so) is to leave the thread.
Again, nobody is asking you for your opinion...you've already stated your opinion...you're merely being asked to defend it. If you're unable or unwilling to do so, perhaps you should divert your freeping to the chat forum, or one of the more specialised forums that are constructed for limited argumentation.
And consider taking your own advice and start a thread in religion or someplace where you can condemn others to your hearts content.
Condemnation of others is not loving or kind. It is not admirable and it is not a good example for others. Those who condemn and attack should repent and change their ways.
More dogma? LOL, i thought you didn't want to discuss dogma. You must not want to discuss much of anything because you have yet to respond to a single point on this thread.
Maybe you should take your one trick pony elsewhere, and see if the trolling is better at that location.
In some cases, yes. Marital fidelity, for example -- one night in a strange bed can outweigh a thousand nights at home, and ruin things forever. The same is true of fidelity to the gospel - which includes being sure that the Enemy does not hijack your pulpit. And make no mistake about it, Obama serves the Enemy: his posiitons on abortion and homosexuality are a sign for you, that's all you really need to know. Furthermore, Obama knows religious language and culture quite well, and can talk to Christians AS IF he were one of them... which makes him very, very dangerous.
Nevertheless, the Purpose Driven Life has helped a great many of individuals get their personal gyroscopes reset toward Christian values and a Christian life.
Perhaps. I found it to be a real sleeper.
treachery in the pulpit... ping
The website "False Prophets and Teachers" has some good stuff about Warren.
Condemnation of others is consciously harming others. It is part of the problem and the pain in this world - and those who engage in it are part of the problem, imo.
Just as it is not your place to condemn others it is not your place to decide who writes on what threads. That is such an Islamist and/or left-wing tactic: try to kill off - literally or figuratively - those you disagree with.
Have you ever considered that those so-called conservatives who are so unkind, punitive and quick to kill off others are part of what turned off the electorate on 11/7?
Rick Warren is the Proverbial "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing".
Glad to be of service.
The point is that you have no point. You haven't demonstrated that you're capable of anything resembling a rational point, and you've publically demonstrated your inadequacies. Don't worry dear, there's no charge.
Condemnation of others is consciously harming others. It is part of the problem and the pain in this world - and those who engage in it are part of the problem, imo.
Do you condemn Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao?
The rest of your statement is absolute, indefensible nonsense, and once again, you're making an argument from DOGMA...i thought you didn't want to discuss dogma. You really should make up your mind on that.
If you don't want to discuss dogma, don't assert it. If you assert dogma, don't bitch about being challenged on it. Your call, makes no matter to me, i can go about this either way.
Just as it is not your place to condemn others it is not your place to decide who writes on what threads. That is such an Islamist and/or left-wing tactic: try to kill off - literally or figuratively - those you disagree with.
Blah blah blah, nothing new here, just more dogma. As for Islamist/left wing tactic, it seems as if that is what you have been doing for this entire thread, and even with that statement. Of course you haven't bothered to deny that accusation, seeing as to how it is easily documented by your posts on this thead. So...Physician, heal thyself.
Have you ever considered that those so-called conservatives who are so unkind, punitive and quick to kill off others are part of what turned off the electorate on 11/7?
i'm not a conservative. i'm a Libertarian, card carrying, dues paying party voting. Frankly, the Republicans did it to themselves, and have no one to blame but themselves. Apparently a majourity of the American People agree, and those Republicans no longer have a tax payer subsidised job.
In point of fact, it was the conservatives who stayed home, along with the Libertarians and other independents. There have been tons of threads on FR blaming the Libertarians because some RINO's who won't be missed got beat in the election (as if the Libertarians owe didly squat to Republicans).
But do go on. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. You haven't let it affect you thus far on this thread. i do need my amusements, haven't had too many lately. Unfortunately, i have to sleep once in a while, so the last word of the evening is yours...
Do you condemn Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao?
Of course not. That's the whole point. Condemnation, hatred, vengence, attack are for God to do. That doesn't mean I wouldn't lock them up. You are reaching for such extreme examples - do you equate Rick Warren with Hitler?
I'll repeat it again. Condemnation harms others. Do you understand that?
And if so, do you feel that you are specially authorized in some way from God to harm others? And if so, why?
Thou shalt not give thy pulpit unto liberals, it is an Obamanation.
Feel free to spread it around.
If that's true, then we must conclude that God requires us to harm other people's pwecious wittle feewings at times.
"Ye brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come..."
"Woe unto ye scribes and pharisees, hypocrites..."
"Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity...."
There are many other examples if you care to read them. Jesus and the Apostles "condemn" people all over the New Testament. Tender wittle feewings are *sniff, sniff* HURT all over the place. Boo hoo.
Yes, condemnation hurts. Some people deserve to be emotionally hurt. Sometimes we are morally obligated to inflict that hurt. Sometimes that hurt can lead to repentance, which will spare them a far greater hurt.
"There are some people whom it is one's duty to offend" -- Lord Reith, first director-general of the BBC
At least I'm still the true but unacknowledged inventor of the 'Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish'/Survival of the Fittest logo. They can't take that from me.
I would suggest that you choose to conclude that. And so I ask you - do you believe that you have some kind of special authority from God to harm others?
From you post it would be easy to get the impression that you think it is trivial to harm others. Is that accurate?
If so, you are wrong. To consciously harm is the opposite of love. It is something that decent good people don't do. People of common goodness and common decency don't find it funny to harm others. I see that mainly with the self-righteous and the spiritually arrogant. Some people actually think they know what is best for others. Can you imagine the arrogance of that? If you really understand what they are saying - especially when they think that they can tell whether someone would benefit from being hurt? The haughtiness and self-importance leading to delusion. Wow!
Did you see this one?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52971
Big Rick has apparently forgotten on which side his bread is buttered in conservative OC. The Syrian govenment leaders pow-wow and now this. He's really lost in the weeds on this one. How about getting Obama to renounce the abortion plank in the democratic party platform, Rick?
But, for the record -- there are times when painful words MUST be spoken, to prevent even greater hurt. It is neither arrogance, nor sin, nor lack of love, to speak the necessary-but-hurtful words in those situations. Doctors do it every day: "Stop smoking!" "Lose weight!". Yet nobody accuses the doctors of being "judgemental" or "condemning", even though the fatty in the exam room may be deeply offended at the suggested that she needs to lose weight. Well, it is no different when Christians say, "Stop abortion!", "Stop homosexuality", etc.
I sure hope this madness doesn't spread.
Interesting, you are now presenting a more grown up tone. Wonder what thats about? You didn’t answer my question as to whether you think it is trivial to hurt people? I wonder if you think that a person’s internal experience is also trivial? If you think that how people feel is trivial, do you also think that one’s internal experience is trivial? Do you think like Descartes in the sense that humans are machines and all that matters is behavior?
I’m curious about that and I’m also curious – do you think that qualities like love, kindness, compassion, gratitude are nice but less important than doing and taking action – with being right? Do you associate qualities like love, kindness, compassion, gratitude with weakness?
Your latest post attempts to twist the meaning of condemnation to telling the truth. It’s clever :-) - but it is not honest and I am not willing to go with it. I am not talking about times when, in caring a friend or doctor tells someone the truth. I am talking about when people willfully condemn others – which is what was going on on this thread.
Condemnation is hurtful and when one consciously condemns – one is consciously harming.
Here are a couple of example statements that were written to me:
Give us a break! Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a liberal opportunist, and Rick Warren is a self-serving, egotistical, narcissistic money machine. Follow the money.
What Rick Warren has done is tear churches all over this country apart.
It is ridiculous to say that those were simply statements of truth - those were statements of condemnation and they are hurtful.
But, for the record -- there are times when painful words MUST be spoken, to prevent even greater hurt. It is neither arrogance, nor sin, nor lack of love, to speak the necessary-but-hurtful words in those situations.
Are you saying that the ends justify the means?
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