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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Condemnation of others is consciously harming others. It is part of the problem and the pain in this world - and those who engage in it are part of the problem, imo.

Do you condemn Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao?

Of course not. That's the whole point. Condemnation, hatred, vengence, attack are for God to do. That doesn't mean I wouldn't lock them up. You are reaching for such extreme examples - do you equate Rick Warren with Hitler?

I'll repeat it again. Condemnation harms others. Do you understand that?

And if so, do you feel that you are specially authorized in some way from God to harm others? And if so, why?

390 posted on 11/19/2006 12:10:22 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
I'll repeat it again. Condemnation harms others. Do you understand that?

If that's true, then we must conclude that God requires us to harm other people's pwecious wittle feewings at times.

"Ye brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come..."

"Woe unto ye scribes and pharisees, hypocrites..."

"Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity...."

There are many other examples if you care to read them. Jesus and the Apostles "condemn" people all over the New Testament. Tender wittle feewings are *sniff, sniff* HURT all over the place. Boo hoo.

Yes, condemnation hurts. Some people deserve to be emotionally hurt. Sometimes we are morally obligated to inflict that hurt. Sometimes that hurt can lead to repentance, which will spare them a far greater hurt.

"There are some people whom it is one's duty to offend" -- Lord Reith, first director-general of the BBC

392 posted on 11/19/2006 12:21:25 AM PST by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: Sunsong
Condemnation of others is consciously harming others. It is part of the problem and the pain in this world - and those who engage in it are part of the problem, imo.

Nonsense.

The entire experience of mankind puts paid to that invalid tautology. Condemnation is a necessary part of man's existence. Government cannot function without the ability to make condemnation. Seeing as how you've listed this as an opinion, i state my opinion that those who don't make judgements are naive fools who have no understanding of reality.

Do you condemn Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao?

Posted by CDL

Of course not. That's the whole point. Condemnation, hatred, vengence, attack are for God to do. That doesn't mean I wouldn't lock them up. You are reaching for such extreme examples - do you equate Rick Warren with Hitler?

Will you knock it off with the disagreement=hatred already? That was disproven long ago, and demonstrated to be nothing more than your condemnation of critics of Rick Warren.

Even with this statement you're being inconsistent. Lock them up? For what? Shouldn't they be condemned (judged) before you go locking them up? You really need to think that one out, 6 Million Jews, 7 million European Gentiles of various ethnicities, 20 million Soviet Citizens in WWII, 30 million Soviet Citizens killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodian citizens killed by the Kuhmer Rouge under Pol Pot, and untold millions of Chinese would demand that you do so...funny, all those were supposedly non-judgemental Atheistic societies (with the exception of Hitler's Germany, which was pagan in it's upper levels). Take that into consideration before you talk about how Christians who take an errant 'minister' to task are acting like Muslims.

You are reaching for such extreme examples - do you equate Rick Warren with Hitler?

i'm not reaching at all. i'm merely testing your thesis. The technique is called Reducto Ad Absurdum. Your thesis is found wanting.

I'll repeat it again. Condemnation harms others. Do you understand that?

"Any lie told often enough will be believed"...Joseph Goebbels.

Not this time. Condemnation requires judgement. If the judgement is valid, the condemnation is valid. Since you've stated repeatedly that you don't want to discuss dogma...while persistently asserting dogma...not quite cricket...you have no basis to condemn the condemnation, and your own condemnation makes you hypocritical.

And if so, do you feel that you are specially authorized in some way from God to harm others? And if so, why?

Rick Warren has been harmed by no one except himself, by his own actions, and his own statements. Your question has no basis in fact, and is meaningless.

407 posted on 11/19/2006 11:28:25 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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