Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
WASHINGTON -- Like many fellow Democratic politicians, Sen. Barack Obama is no stranger to the pulpit.
But in December, Obama will go where few progressive Democrats usually venture--to a large, conservative evangelical church that boasts a Sunday attendance of more than 20,000 people.
Even more unusual is that he'll attend at the invitation of megachurch Pastor Rick Warren, evangelical icon and author of the popular Christian book "The Purpose-Driven Life."
Aides to Obama say he will appear at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Dec. 1, World AIDS Day.
"Sen. Obama has a deep respect for Mr. Warren's commitment to fighting AIDS and poverty," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.
While he was working on his latest book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama asked Warren to help by reading one of his draft chapters. Warren issued the invitation to Obama to speak at the church next month.
The messages that Friday will focus on AIDS and HIV, a key area of ministry for Saddleback Church. While many conservative Christians have shied away from AIDS because of their discomfort with its connections to premarital sex and homosexuality, Warren and his wife, church co-founder Kay Warren, have been vocal advocates for patients living with the disease.
Shortly before the release of his latest book, Obama issued a call to progressives to shed bias against religious people and to recognize "overlapping values."
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Same could be said of most politicians couldn't it? Sorry all politicians
The messages that Friday will focus on AIDS and HIV, a key area of ministry for Saddleback Church. While many conservative Christians have shied away from AIDS because of their discomfort with its connections to premarital sex and homosexuality, Warren and his wife, church co-founder Kay Warren, have been vocal advocates for patients living with the disease.
So Warren and his wife are doing something, possibly even taking the Gospel to where others don't, or won't, go and Obama is going to show up, probably say a few words like most politicians. I'm just wondering if the issue is more to some that Warren is doing this at all rather than Obama showing up to it.
This guy protected continuing the practice of murdering babies in Illinois.
Did did he? All by himself? That's one pretty powerful politician. While I do care what he did in other situations, I can't really see how any sane person could condemn one man from coming to speak at a church on AIDS and HIV. Now granted like any other politician he'll probably say something about wasting government money but heck they all do that don't they?
Yeah, he did. As a committee chairman.
So what does the church need? I really would be interested to hear who you are suggesting speak within a church. What can they believe or not believe? Who do they support politically?
I said I don't support a thing otherwise that Obama may support. I definitely disagree with abortion and homosexuality. But I really can't see that a man showing care for the sick and ill by giving a speech is anti-Christian. Perhaps he can learn something from Warren during the day. Ever think about that?
Why do you want to bring the many great men and women who are in public office by bringing them down to the level of a Barack Hussein Obama?
I thought Saddleback was Methodist. Hmm. Anyone know?
Sigh...if only Dr. Keyes could have saved us all.....
"Therefore go and make disciples of of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you..." (Matthew 28:18-20a)
Could it be that the church has become adept at reaching people with horizontal relationships but is afraid to point out the hight cost and demands necessary in a vertical, holy relationship with God?
You can start by requiring that they be actual biblical Christians, not some sort of phony communist-inspired fake Christian.
It's really not asking much.
You're showing your stripes. You hate Keyes, and defend Barack Hussein Obama. Something fundamentally wrong with that...
The Bible says: "An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless-not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkeness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it." (Titus 1:6-9)
That is a good start.
Sure it's not marxist inspired? That really does seem to be the favorite word of late. And coming from Southern Baptist churches I've heard just released convicted criminals speak at church. With quite salty language in their speech. You see they didn't correct their speech and they still had some rough edges. But we still accepted them with love and heard their stories of other aspects of their lives that had been corrected. There's this thing about churches some seem to forget around here. Church isn't for the saved. It's for getting saved. And if you can't overlook some rough edges you can't very well get them saved can you? I'm not saying homosexual priests, abortions on demand, acceptance of homosexual unions, or anything of the like. What I am saying is that a lot of hurt people enter into church and maybe from a speaker's word be drawn closer to God. Speaking on the ill and sick may help someone
And Biblical is capitalized.
You're showing your stripes. You hate Keyes, and defend Barack Hussein Obama. Something fundamentally wrong with that...
Mutually exclusive. I don't know Obama from Adam's housecat. I just see a man going to a church, speaking on a specific topic that is of concern to the members of that church, as it pertains to the ill and the sick.
Disdain for Carpetbagger Keyes is just thrown in for free..
I don't "assume" to know God's mind because my finite mind cannot grasp an infinite being - do you know what sarcasm is? I never claimed that "I can't know God's will" (those, were, ahem, your words) because I (just like all of us) can! God gave us His Word to know His will - we just have to read it. He commands us to love the world as He loved us. I am so glad that verse did not read to "love others as some Freepers do"..... Oh, BTW, that is some more sarcasm... :0)
I just threw Warren's book in the garbage. Ever notice how the RATS can go speak from the pulpit (those who espouse abortion, gay marriage etc.) are always lauded. God forbid a Pubbie preaches from a pulpit and he's depicted as a right-wing nit.
Now that's a great post! :^)
Agree!
Now if a Republican show up at these events they are concitered right wing waco's. Let's see how the media plays it with a Dem.
Of course he is aware of her background. How else would he have read the quote? In fact, I would like to know when he did read her material. That speaks volumes to me.
Thanks!!
You're a poster child for the kind of RINOs who helped elect Barack Hussein Obama to the US Senate. The Dems hardly had to lift a finger. And you and Pastor Warren are exactly the type who will help elect him POTUS, if we don't stop you.
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