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To: P-Marlowe
You didn't answer my question. You avoided it.

If that's how you want to see it, fine.

If you have a truly abusive, noncompliant subject, there are LOTS of techniques to use that don't involve 'beating the tar' out of the subject. For instance, you can gooseneck his hand, prone him out on the ground, and then you can easily cuff him and drag him out, if need be. A baton strike to the thigh will drop most people. Sometimes, drawing your firearm will result in noncompliant suspects becoming compliant. Therea are MANY techniques, probably as many as there are officers.

My point was that this entire event could, and should, have been avoided.

305 posted on 11/17/2006 7:17:06 AM PST by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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To: Terabitten
My point was that this entire event could, and should, have been avoided.

You are right. If the trespasser had left when he was told to. Instead he chose to resist arrest and make a scene and attempt to stir a riot.

Now as far as dragging him out of the building, that would involve a risk to the officers. Many departments do not allow officers to drag suspects as it is likely to cause permanent back and spinal injuries to the officers. So what they needed to do was to make this idiot compliant enough to walk out on his own accord or unconscious enough to be carried out on a gurney.

Now to get down to the nitty gritty and answer the question I have not seen answered on this thread, how would you have made this particular idiot compliant in this particular case?

312 posted on 11/17/2006 7:55:38 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Terabitten; P-Marlowe

I've been absent for awhile so I started reading some of these posts.

Did you say 'goose-neck' his wrist? You gotta be kidding me. Where I come from if you try to goose-neck somebody's wrist he's going to goose-neck your teeth down your throat.

Then you advocate hitting him with a baton? We were given tazer's so we didn't have to use those brutal batons.

And drawing your gun???

Our dept. has bought into the wimpy cop mentality. You know, 'black jacks are cruel', 'baton strikes and punches in the nose might hurt somebody.' "We don't need a jail." "People need re-hab instead of punishment."

So what'd they do? They bought "pepper spray" the end all. The junk don't work.

Now we have the tazer so we look more humane. Another joke. Instead of grabbing somebody, like they should, officers now reach for their tazer at the first hint of battle.

And I think it's a mistake. And the only ones who win are ambulance chasing lawyers.

It's almost not worth being a cop anymore.


324 posted on 11/17/2006 10:42:53 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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