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To: beezdotcom

I would like to leave it out of the mix. Because the fact is, you and I will never agree if you're pro-life and believe that abortion should be illegal. We just won't. I don't think you're a nutjob - I think you have deeply held personal beliefs and I respect that. I, as well, believe deeply in my own reproductive rights and while an abortion is not a choice I would make for myself, I can't turn to a woman next to me in a restaurant and make that determination for her. I don't know her values, her morals - so I keep to my own principles where it involves me personally and trust that others keep to theirs.

Moreoever, I think that there is SO MUCH more on which Dems and Repubs can agree (I believe strongly that most of both parties are near the center) that if we reject the never-going-to-be-settled divisive issues, we could get on with meaningful things that have an impact on people's lives.

Just my opinion.


63 posted on 11/14/2006 2:13:31 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
I, as well, believe deeply in my own reproductive rights and while an abortion is not a choice I would make for myself, I can't turn to a woman next to me in a restaurant and make that determination for her.

I, as well, believe deeply in my own reproductive rights and while a rape is not a choice I would make for myself, I can't turn to a man next to me in a restaurant and make that determination for him.

65 posted on 11/14/2006 2:14:41 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: DCBandita
I think you have deeply held personal beliefs and I respect that. I, as well, believe deeply in my own reproductive rights and while an abortion is not a choice I would make for myself, I can't turn to a woman next to me in a restaurant and make that determination for her. I don't know her values, her morals - so I keep to my own principles where it involves me personally and trust that others keep to theirs.

Do you think that minors should be able to get abortions without the consent of their parents? Do you think abortion advocate should be able to protect people who commit statutory rape? Do you think the only medical information a girl or woman should get about an abortion should come from abortion advocates who think there are no long term medical and emotional consequences to having an abortion? I've read artlicles posted on Free Republic about the high levels of infertility in Russia caused by the high abortion rates there. Do you think NARAL, NOW, and other abortion activist groups give a damned about that?

98 posted on 11/14/2006 2:27:44 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: DCBandita
I would like to leave it out of the mix. Because the fact is, you and I will never agree if you're pro-life and believe that abortion should be illegal. We just won't. I don't think you're a nutjob - I think you have deeply held personal beliefs and I respect that. I, as well, believe deeply in my own reproductive rights and while an abortion is not a choice I would make for myself, I can't turn to a woman next to me in a restaurant and make that determination for her. I don't know her values, her morals - so I keep to my own principles where it involves me personally and trust that others keep to theirs.

That doesn't answer the question. The Supreme Court amended the Constitution in 1973 using very poor legal reasoning. They usurped the prerogatives ot the people and the states to govern themselves. The federal government was founded primarily for the purpose of protecting the states from attack by foreign powers not for the purpose of centrally determing the social policies of the various states. If New York wants to have different laws from Texas, that should be their prerogative.

112 posted on 11/14/2006 2:34:42 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: DCBandita

"I would like to leave it out of the mix."

I completely agree.
Let's leave abortion out of the mix.
Let's just make it all illegal, and agree we won't revisit the issue, 'kay?

Because that's the EFFECT of what you propose, but in the other direction. It is currently legal everywhere, without limits. I think it's murder. And I think that voters have the right to agitate for a system of laws they agree with. From my perspective, the 48 million babies killed in this country since Roe makes the United States about three times worse than NAzi Germany, morally. I don't think that gassing adults for their religious beliefs is morally worse than sticking a scissors into a baby's skull and sucking its brains out for convenience. Measuring morality by body count, the United States is a horrifically evil nation, in my view. Callously evil. Bored and fat evil, even, given the boredom with abortion as an issue.

Now, you are right, we are never going to agree on the issue. But SOMEBODY'S opinion is going to have to be the law. This is one of those binary situations where "live and let live" do not work, any more than "It's ok for YOU to burn minorities alive, but I'll just refrain from it and we'll be ok." It's not ok for me to do it, and I am not willing to let YOU do it either.

So, somebody has to win, and somebody has to lose.
You want the issue off the table, that's easy.

Let me win on it, let me outlaw abortion, and then we can talk about everything else. Otherweise, abortion has to be the issue which is decided by ugly brute force, because there is no other way.


141 posted on 11/14/2006 2:51:28 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: DCBandita
Thanks for the question.....lots of us here on FR feel that many here that use religious views to spout their agenda is just flat wrong. The reason the Dem's picked up so many seats is that the American people voted for a change....most don't have any idea what change...but the MSM, where lots of intelectual lazy folks get their ideas, spouts their position...and coming from the NE...where we all know is dances to a very different fiddle than the rest of the country.....and in mid-terms...folks buy into it. The real power of the Internet will be when we see mid-term elections results being a product of well thought out decisions rather than MSM hyperbole.
183 posted on 11/14/2006 3:12:10 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..POW input)
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To: DCBandita
I would like to leave it out of the mix. Because the fact is, you and I will never agree if you're pro-life and believe that abortion should be illegal.

But, you're kinda missing my point. For example - with abortion: It's not that I can't bring myself to vote for someone who won't strive to make abortion illegal. It's that I can't bring myself to vote for someone who I don't trust not to make it even easier.

That's the problem with most of the moderate candidates I see: it's not that they don't have a track record of agressively pushing my social issues to the right; it's that many of them have a track record of letting my social issues get pushed to the left, if not actively helping to push them.
184 posted on 11/14/2006 3:12:58 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: DCBandita
Your party policies are driven by first and foremost by the organized murder of millions of unborn and partially born children for profit. Followed closely by the Gay lobby who are intent on forcing their sexual choice on all, and have gone after our children in schools under the guise of tolerance, so they can recruit fresh meat.
Webb who you voted for is a sick freak who dreams about having sex with children.
Yours is the party that is intent on making it a criminal offense for those of us who oppose abortion and homosexual lifestyle to voice any opposition to your gods
196 posted on 11/14/2006 3:17:22 PM PST by Dstorm
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