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President Rudy Giuliani?
Forbes ^ | 11/14/2006 | Nathan Vardi

Posted on 11/14/2006 11:02:49 AM PST by Dark Skies

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To: beltfed308
At best a hitlery lite version.

Agreed :-(

141 posted on 11/14/2006 12:23:45 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Dark Skies
"IIRC, you can carry in NYC but you must have a license. I think that was the rule when Rudy was mayor. Here's a link to a New York guns laws site...."

don't bother trying to recall any of that. Rudy doesn't believe in it and only the politicos and their good buddies get to carry. The right to keep and bear arms is a right that belongs to everyone, including the little guy. It's not a privaledge to be licensed. If the country club folks don't like it, that's tough.

"Rudy can get around the 2nd amendment issue easily if he were to explain that he was for gun control in NYC at a time when it was the crime capital of the world. By the time he was done, it was one of the safest cities in the world.

Rudy is a gun grabber. It's part of his worldview. He will not change his mind and I wouldn't believe him anyway. He's a player that whored around on his wives. I certainly won't be taken in by his games. It was not one of the safest cities in the world. It was one of hte biggest run by a strict authoritarian who disarmed and rendered defenseless the citizens that lived there.

"I lived in the City from the 70's to the 90's and I can tell you that Rudy solved problems that many New Yorkers thought were insoluble."

Wonderful. I never had much problem living in big cities at all, except for, corruption, gun grabbers, petty police action and the general demonization and prohibition of self defense.

142 posted on 11/14/2006 12:24:25 PM PST by spunkets
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To: TommyDale
Rudy Giuliani said he would pay for his own daughter to have an abortion!

Can you link to a source for that?

143 posted on 11/14/2006 12:24:25 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies
[ Rudy cut taxes and welfare roles in NYC significantly. ]

How did he pay for all those new police officers?.. New Yorkers love taxes even more than people in Massachusetts..

144 posted on 11/14/2006 12:24:40 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: Dark Skies

I almost forgot about that ... thanks for the reminder.


145 posted on 11/14/2006 12:24:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: PhiKapMom

PhiKapMom,

GREAT POST!!!!


146 posted on 11/14/2006 12:25:20 PM PST by MarkDel
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To: Reagan Man

Personally, I am beginning to think that Rudy is the perfect candidate for the Republican Party. They don't want any more conseravtives, and Rudy isn't a conservative.
I don't care if Hillary! is running, though, I won't vote for Rudy. If the 'Pubbies nominate him, its simply more evidence they aren't my party any more.


147 posted on 11/14/2006 12:25:27 PM PST by Little Ray
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To: Reagan Man
Ever notice that a lot of these Rudy Rudy Rudy threads have the words 'President Giuliani' in their titles? Seems like a NY media trick to soften people up to the idea. And they've started early enough it could pay off. How often do we see articles with the words "President McCain" or "President Rice", just to name a few other GOP hopefuls? We do see President Hillary some though.

NYC wants the WH so badly that I think they'll blow it. They don't realize how obvious their selfserving liberal agenda is to the rest of the country.
148 posted on 11/14/2006 12:25:41 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: spunkets

You have a lot of anecdotal evidence and personal opinions regarding Rudy...can you link to any sources for your info?


149 posted on 11/14/2006 12:26:38 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: MarkDel

I've voted straight Republican my entire life, supporting the GOP going back to 1968 in my high schools Young Republicans Club. I've never voted for a liberal in the GOP primaries or in the general elections. And I don't plan on changing my politics by voting for the liberal Giuliani. Conservatives don't run around two years out from a presidential election, glorifing and promoting liberal candidates. The GOP can do a lot better then Rudy. Besides, the GOP has nominated pro-life candidates since Reagan in 1980, and I don't see that changing. I'm not about to toss my principles away just because you've lost your mind.


150 posted on 11/14/2006 12:28:00 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Great post!!!


151 posted on 11/14/2006 12:28:01 PM PST by retrokitten (retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: areafiftyone

And if he gets it, he will destroy Hillary.

How much fun will that be........YEAH.

I was so disappointed when he didn't run against her for Senator. He would have been a shoo-in. And that was before 9/11.


152 posted on 11/14/2006 12:29:09 PM PST by Collier
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To: Dark Skies

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998


153 posted on 11/14/2006 12:29:51 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: beltfed308

These are not my words. I said he would be a good leader, not that he would create a new class of criminals. Don't put words in my mouth. Gun control in a densely populated and crime ridden city is a very different proposition from blanket gun control across the whole country. This was the essence of my post. Yet you twisted my words to suggest something quite the opposite.


154 posted on 11/14/2006 12:30:10 PM PST by Stag_Man (NEVER let the people draw their own conclusions. - DUmmie poster.)
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To: PhiKapMom
I agree with you totally PhiKapMom -- only one slight change:

Closed minds of social conservatives will cost us the election in 2008.

Too many, otherwise very intelligent people, don't seem to get or understand the Clinton's and what we are up against in 2008. It is not going to be a normal year or a normal election and unless people vote with their heads and not their emotions we will never recognize this country ten years from now.

155 posted on 11/14/2006 12:30:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: sitetest
Mr. Giuliani may be slightly to the left of Mrs. Clinton on this issue, if that's actually possible.

He is obviously more liberal. On abortion, on guns, etc. And his personal life is a mess while Tammy Wynette Clinton is still baking cookies and standing by her man.

The one thing I can think of that would get a lot of conservative Christian women to vote for Hillary is to put up a moral bankrupt (in their view) like Rudy against her. They would conclude that Hillary is a godly woman by comparison.

The Clintons also sponsored DOMA and Rudy loves gay causes. Again, women in the so-called Red States will pick Hillary. I can actually picture my own mother voting for her.

He's a disaster for the GOP.
156 posted on 11/14/2006 12:30:31 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Dark Skies

New York Newsday of Sept. 1, 1989: Giuliani says that he so strongly favored abortion, "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."


157 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:00 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: hosepipe
[ Rudy cut taxes and welfare roles in NYC significantly. ]

How did he pay for all those new police officers?

No insult intended but that's what the Dim's always say.

Proponents of tax cuts always respond that cutting taxes is a way to increase revenues...that's how he paid for new police officers.

Overtaxation is a killer of economies, tax cuts spur economic growth...you know that.

158 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:12 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Too many, otherwise very intelligent people, don't seem to get or understand the Clinton's and what we are up against in 2008.

Got that right. It's going to be very, very ugly.

159 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:17 PM PST by retrokitten (retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Well, that makes sense. I'm just not entirely sure how Rudy will position himself come 2008. If he goes with the "safe, legal, and rare" stance on abortion, and supports Federal "assault weapon" ban type of gun control, I think he'll have a tough sell. If he adopts a position closer to what your envisioning, he could win the nomination handily.


160 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:36 PM PST by DemforBush
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