Posted on 11/14/2006 11:02:49 AM PST by Dark Skies
Hillary will win a 50 state sweep against Newt. She'd be the first President since George Washington to get all electoral votes.
And you have the mind of a liberal.
And Rudy voted for Reagan in 80 and 84 and Reagan made him #3 and top prosecutor in his DOJ. He supported and voted for Bush in 04 and 00 and his speech at the convention was regarded as the best one of all 4 nights.
The same impact that WW2 and the emerging communist threat had on Reagan is similar to 9/11 and the terrorist threat on Rudy.
The point is guys change, their politics change. I could care less where Rudy was 30 years before 2008. I do care about where he is in 2008 and who the best person to beat Hillary is. If there's some conservative star out there, let me know, but as of now it's McCain, Rudy and Romney.
I agree with you that he's not some hard core conservative, but I don't think he's some far left socialist that others make him out to be.
You hold Reagain out as your ideal. He signed amnesty, he appointed O'Connor and Kennedy, two disasters to the SC. He didn't stop abortion, and neither would Rick Snatorum if he became President. On guns, yes Rudy is more in favor of gun control, although the urban NYC area is totally different than other states and rural areas so who knows what his national policy would be. In any event, the past election showed that the dems have given up on gun control and that it's no longer an issue for them. The new congress will not renew the AWB, and I highly doubt Rudy would make any major gun control push if elected.
Following 9-11, I think most Americans would have told the Shiek where to stick his cash.
No substantive difference between Guiliani and Hitlery on the issues.
If I have to sell out the Constitution and our freedoms just to get some RINO elected? What good does it do? Riddle us that one Batman...
Dear Red in Philly,
"I do not understand how people here cannot understand that if the GOP continues to alienate the moderate wing of the base, it is destined to minority status."
I disagree. We win elections when we're upfront and honest about our conservatism.
Even in Pennsylvania, Sen. Santorum lost because 1) his opponent is openly pro-life, and 2) Mr. Santorum was seen as a betrayer of conservatism by kneecapping Mr. Toomey in his bid to unseat the liberal swine of the party, Mr. Specter.
"Minority= no SCOTUS nominations."
President Rudolph Giuliani = more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs and Steven Breyers, two jurists for which Mr. Giuliani has high praise.
Mr. Giuliani may also praise Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, but if he can get a Ginsburg [someone of whom he's expressed approval] confirmed without a fight, why spend political capital on another Roberts or Alito, no less a Scalia or Thomas?
If the party wants to nominate a moderate, like Mr. Bush, that's fine. But if the Republican Party is going to nominate liberal Democrats like Mr. Giuliani, then don't be surprised if conservatives, especially social conservatives, defect in large numbers.
There is no point of contact between Mr. Giuliani and social conservatives. For social conservatives, the election of Mr. Giuliani defeats us in every one of our causes just as much as the election of Mrs. Clinton.
In fact, in that Mrs. Clinton will engender significant and continuous opposition from Congressional Republicans, she is likely to do less damage than if Mr. Giuliani were elected president, in that many Republicans in Congress would be loathe to oppose their own president, no matter how liberal he might be.
Although we aren't a majority of the party, social conservatives are the single largest group of folks in the Republican Party. If 25% of social conservatives decided not to vote for a Republican presidential nominee, it is likely that the Republican couldn't win under any circumstances.
sitetest
Liberal Freepers???
So because I would vote for Rudy that makes me a Liberal??? Go read my other stuff on this site about returning the party to the Reagan legacy...perhaps some of you "purists" should think long and hard about where you really stand.
If Ronald Reagan were around today as a potential candidate, the "purists" here would be calling him a RINO because he used to be an FDR-Democrat...what the hell is happening to the Conservative movement...we are tearing ourselves up for no good reason.
Does anyone think that NY would go for Rudi over hilliary?
I certainly don't.
Run for Senator Rudi.
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Spot on! Except, Rudy won't run for the Senate because he can't beat Hillary.
At best a hitlery lite version.
I dunno...in today's world isnt having a solid homelife a liability.
Tell you the same thing, vote 3rd party. Right now Rudy is the best we have. Allen is gone and I think McLame is The Manchurian Candidate and will vote against him in the primaries.
Dear areafiftyone,
If you look a little, google around, you'll find that Mr. Giuliani has often repeated that he believes that abortion is a woman's right, that he is opposed to even a ban on partial birth abortion, and that the government should pay for the abortions of poor women, so that they may exercise their rights.
Mr. Giuliani may be slightly to the left of Mrs. Clinton on this issue, if that's actually possible.
sitetest
You said, "Yes, and don't be surprised if some of their IP addresses trace back to Giuliani's offices"
By all means, trace my IP...it goes to Forsyth County, Georgia which aint exactly left wing territory.
Some of you "ideological purists" have lost your minds...why are you guys tearing apart the Conservative Movement for no good reason???
If Ronald Reagan were an up and coming politician in 2006, you guys would be calling HIM a RINO because he used to be a Democrat and was soft on Immigration...
Yes. He has won in NY and NJ polls over Hillary. Yesterday after his announcement they asked people on the streets of Manhattan if they would vote for Rudy and all said YES! NYers don't forget what he did for this city.
Dear jeltz25,
"The other thing about Rudy that people haven't mentioned much is his effect on the Italian vote and the Catholic vote."
All my grandparents were born in Italy. My father's first language was Sicilian. I'm a devout Catholic.
I wouldn't vote for Mr. Giuliani under any circumstances, unless he publicly repented of his immoral crimes against humanity for supporting abortion on demand and the homosexual agenda, tearing his clothes and covering himself in sackcloth in ashes, publicly proclaiming his repentance down Broadway in New York City.
sitetest
(source of quote: Little Green Footballs comments)
Thanks for posting this and I have a few words to say to the naysyers on here.
A lot of folks on here that want to trash Rudy on his stance on issues and want a Reagan type should do some research. Rudy is personally pro-life -- note I said personally but then compare Rudy to when Pres Reagan was Governor of California and how he treated pro-life from the Congressional record about his life:
Despite his personal opposition to abortion, Governor Reagan loosened an 1872 statute to allow abortion in cases of rape, incest, when a mother's health was at stake, or when there was a high risk that a baby would be born with birth defects. Many states followed Governor Reagan's lead on this important issue. (end quote)
Many times throughout our history, people running for office have changed their stance. When Pres Reagan decided to run for President he became more pro-life but never appeared at a pro-life rally in D.C.
Rudy was the Mayor of NYC. How many conservative Republicans live in NYC? Some on here are posting from his days as Mayor but even then cannot get it right. Rudy is for CLOSED Borders but some say he is pro-illegal immigration.
The one thing about Rudy that cannot be disputed is his law and order stance from his early days when he was in the Reagan DOJ to his US Attorney days to Mayor of NY to his leadership following 9/11. He stands up, doesn't blame others if something goes wrong, and is tough as nails.
In today's environment with the WOT and Islamic fundamentalist wanting to destroy America, I want a leader that will stand up, supports a strong national defense both foreign and domestic, for less taxes, smaller government, and will appoint strict constitutionalist to the bench. Social issues belong at the State level. Anyone that calls Rudy anything but a fiscal conservative is flat out wrong and should do some research about how he cut taxes and government in NYC.
Closed minds of social conservatives could cost us the election in 2008 if there is not an attitude change. Social conservatism isn't worth anything without a strong Nation that others countries fear because they know if they attack we will strike back. Pandering to a group of people is not what Reagan did -- he reached out to conservatives, moderates and Democrats who believed like he did in America and what it should be. One of his reasons for getting in the race against Ford was that Ford was weak against the Soviet Union not that he disagreed on social issues.
Rudy has the ability to bring in states that we lost by narrow margins in 2004. Another southerner will not IMHO. We have to broaden our base without giving up the platform on social issues and that can be done. Our Nation's future and those of our children are at stake in 2008. If social conservatives sit home because they don't agree with our candidate 100% of the time, then our whole Nation loses. If you agree with a candidate 80% of the time, then there shouldn't be a problem because I disagree with Ms. Clinton almost 100% of the time.
Work in your local communities and your states to further the cause of social issues but leave the Presidency to someone who will protect our lives not be kumbaya. The President sets the tone, and I want a President that stands up to terrorists and their plan to destroy our way of life.
Agree or disagree with me but I will remain a Conservative Republican and will fight for issues I support, but I will NEVER turn a blind eye to the most important thing facing this country and that is terrorism.
All I ask is that some of you when you post be honest. I am a lifelong Republican, walked doors for Barry Goldwater when I was teenager and been a conservative since those days, have supported Republican candidates my whole life and I will not stand for being called a RINO as I was last night because I support Rudy.
I have walked more doors then most of you people that throw the name RINO around, have supported more conservative Republicans then you can count, and one thing has held true for me every time and that is if a candidate is weak on defense and law and order, I won't work for him. I am pro-life but not to the extent that I will allow that issue to keep me from supporting someone who will protect this Nation.
Let me give an example of here in Oklahoma that has made me so irritated with our elected leaders that put social issues first. Many of you know that Oklahoma suffered horrendous fires that burned acreage all across the State. We have many rural firefighters that had neither the resources or equipment to fight those fires. They banded together and went to the State Capitol to ask for help and sat in the balconey expecting to hear about that help. What they heard was a debate on where several gay books should be put in the children's section of the library in OKC. That was the most important issue of the day along with another day in the session passing a resolution to require singing the Star Spangled Banner in English which took the whole day. Or how about an attempt for a social conservative lawmaker to make the pharmicist the final determining facor on if he should fill our prescriptions. All the while our lands were burning and our rural firefighters needed help.
That was one of the most disgusting displays I have ever seen out of social conservatives. Let the state burn but let's figure out where books belong on a library shelf. Some of those people did not get reelected for which I am grateful to the citizens of Oklahoma. Our state needs its road and bridges fixed along with education -- we need priorities first and not have to have a special session because they couldn't pass a budget like they did this year. Our legislature gets paid over $40,000 a year for four months and this is what we are getting from our elected representatives?
This past spring woke me up to the fact that social conservatives at least in Oklahoma do not make the best elected officials. They get stuck on an issue and won't let it go. Then anyone that doesn't support them gets called names which is kind of like on here.
I will never put a social issue over the safety of this Country when I vote for someone. If you don't like it fine, but I don't apologize for believing the #1 priority for this Nation to survive is having a President that will stand up to our enemies that want to destroy us. In addition to being for aa strong defense, law and order, and closed borders, Rudy is for smaller government, lower taxes, appointment of strict constitutionalist judges, but most importantly he stands tall in taking the fight to those that want to destroy us.
I don't support a candidate because it is the popular thing to do, I support a candidate because I believe in that person being the best man to be President and someone that can be elected. I want to win elections because if you lose, then you don't set the agenda which is what is happening in the Senate and House for whatever reason a lot of Republicans stayed home. If you stayed home and didn't vote, then IMO you forfeit your right to be part of the discussion.
The people in Iraq voted in large numbers through the threat of being killed but they were so proud to show off those purple fingers. A shame that our Country is so full of people that sit out an election because they are mad or don't care.
My two cents!
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