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To: ModelBreaker; JasonC
In other words, I'm perfectly happy with just, secular rulers. ...

Is that what we have when history is revised into something completely false?

... They cannot affect my relationship with my Savior or shut me up about the good news.

True. As has been pointed out Christianity is 'flourishing' in China.

... It's not their job to make it easy on me ...

What then is the job of government in your view?

(For some this was once the view of it.)

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Of course, that's why we homeschool--I regard the government schools as actively hostile.

It is wonderful that you have your family on the road you want them on. Obviously the example of China shows that even a harsh communist tyranny cannot prevent the people from following their conscience in religious matters. So that begs the question of what is actually being attacked and altered here and for what reason.

JasonC said: "What is happening in the actions described in the article is a Stalinist attempt to erase known friendly attitudes of all our legal traditions toward the basic judeo-christian heritage of the nation, by directly lying about the actual history of the country and its institutions."

IMO JasonC has hit the nail on the head. The attack here is not on the religious conscience of any man since no one can reach into a man's heart and force it to change against his will. What they can change by altering and erasing the historical basis of our nation's founding is the knowledge of what and why our original form of government was conceived for and how it worked.

Of course you can keep that knowledge pure within your own compound but since the vast majority of American children are taught in government schools a majority will be formed who believe the new history. Lacking any significant resistance to that effort it will eventually prevail over the old history and overthrow it.

If you see no value in the constitutional republican form of gov. our founders gave us or simply don't care whether you live under its imperfections or the blessings of a communist dictate then you will obviously have no dog in this fight.

Having secured your own solace through your personal convictions of conscience, and caring for nothing else, it will be hard to incite you to stand up for the temporary and imperfect securing of blessings the Constitution stands for. Having found your great blessing beyond the frailties of mortal institutions you have the luxury of disdaining those lesser means of securing liberty. It also affords you the freedom to disdain all those who still grope for peace of mind through and beyond material pursuits under the imperfect umbrella of Constitutional justice.

You are blessed indeed to stand above them in their delusional faith in that form of justice. Secure in any situation your are blessed to stand apart from those lesser beings and concern yourself not with their struggles to find a greater truth or a better way of living among men. Having realized that bliss is not dependent upon circumstances you can feel content that they will do just as well under the whip as they would with the false pretenses of liberty and justice for all dispensed by fellow sinners.

Empathy for the ignorant is so highly overrated anyway.

64 posted on 11/14/2006 1:34:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: TigersEye
If you see no value in the constitutional republican form of gov. our founders gave us or simply don't care whether you live under its imperfections or the blessings of a communist dictate then you will obviously have no dog in this fight.

Huh? If you would go back thru my posts of the last month, you would see I'm obsessive about our consitutional republic, what remains of it.

The point in my earlier post was that I wish Christians didn't worry so much about church/state issues like the one mentioned in the article because we don't need help from the state. We only have so much time and political capital. I would prefer to spend it on national existential issues like the war on islamic fascism, supreme court judges, school-choice, and immigration.

Of course you can keep that knowledge pure within your own compound but since the vast majority of American children are taught in government schools a majority will be formed who believe the new history. Lacking any significant resistance to that effort it will eventually prevail over the old history and overthrow it.

Well, this is a big problem and I agree with you. But IMHO, the government schools are broken beyond repair and it's pointless to spend time and political capital there--trying to make government schools better is tilting at windmills. Our energy should be focused on building alternative educational institutions (school choice for everyone, not just limousine liberals), which will be enough of a fight in and of itself.

Better that we spend less time on FR :) and more time schooling our kids in the truth. We only have control over so much. But we do have control over the upbringing of our kids, if we homeschool.

65 posted on 11/14/2006 2:10:26 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: TigersEye
"Of course, that's why we homeschool--I regard the government schools as actively hostile."

So do I, which is why I sent all three of my children to private school.!!!

I'm with you for sure. If I could have homeschooled my children, I would have.

Nancee

159 posted on 11/16/2006 7:05:51 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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