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To: pollyannaish

Hey took a moment but you comments about being a "Commited Christian" in light of the trolls around.. (not saying you are or arn't)

But it made me realize this fight is worth harassing the enemy on and here is why..

If some guy uses the word "Niggardly" in a sentence the one side of the left try's to get him fired.(in the Washington DC case the Homosexual side of the left fought the Black side of the Left coming to his defense because he was a member of their community. And the word "Niggardly" comes for an entirely different origin than it's less popular but phonetically similar non-relation lol..

If some gal wears a Confederate Bikini Top to a Foot Ball game they try to get the Confederate Flag Banned..

The left creates these little tempests to keep everyone sensitive to their "plight" and concerned for
"Offending them"

Well what's Good for the Gander is Good for the Goose.

The Shoe is on the other foot in this issue and they are on the defense... So bang away at this issue all you can... Make them defend themselves.... Stick them in the proverbial political "Hot Water" for "Offending Christians", rewriting history etc.


Keep it up.


W


170 posted on 11/16/2006 12:37:39 PM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: WLR
I completely understand the inclination to "What's good for the goose/gander." However, that often quickly degenerates into a "perceived slight for a perceived slight" mentality which, in the end, usually loses the majority of the population who see it as petty squabbling. We have too much to lose to behave that way.

I also believe strongly that the historical impact/influence of Judeo Christian principles in the founding of this Republic should be maintained. Too often, however, Judeo Christian principles become mushed in with "Christianity" to suggest we were founded by Christians. We were certainly SETTLED by Christians escaping persecution. However, the truth is that persecution was by other Christians, and in the end the country itself was founded on the principles, rather than adherence to a specific religious order. That distinction seems to get blurred by both the left AND the right and is often the basis for most of these arguments.

My suggestion would be to continue to publish books and textbooks, make films, provide lectures, etc. that contain scholarly information on the subject and attack the misinformation it in that way, rather than futz around with it from a tour guide. (Besides, half the time these tour guides are full of it...one told my mom that George Washington was really short during a Mt. Vernon tour! Ha!) There are many fine historians and authors who work on this regularly and work to steer real history in the right direction.

In this case, it is not the concept that I oppose, but rather the way in which the battle is being waged. We need to fight the larger battle, rather than waste our energy in a loosely collected series of skirmishes.

As far as me being a troll or not a Christian as I said...well, I can't counter that, so you are certainly entitled to draw whatever conclusions you wish. My intent, although badly executed, was to say that I am not opposed to Christianity because I am one, but I am opposed to the way we sometimes start to see conspiracy everywhere and thrash at every little thing as if it were the last word.

173 posted on 11/16/2006 1:13:50 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: WLR

Thought you might enjoy this.

A Frightening Analysis

We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration — both legal and illegal — was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved! Not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games.

A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.

"E. Pluribus Unum" — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobes' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause.

A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America — take note of California and other states — to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.


174 posted on 11/16/2006 3:17:50 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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