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To: chuckles
The rebuttal to your stem cell argument is that we cannot give up and must have all options open.

Keep in mind we believe in a jealous God. Good works without faith is dead. Even though your arguments make sense, the glory is not given to God. He will remove His grace from us if we don't come back to Him.

124 posted on 11/15/2006 11:29:51 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: stevio
...."He will remove His grace from us if we don't come back to Him."......

Agreed, but I never left. America is just another country. Many kingdoms and countries have risen and fallen. Ours will also. When you are saved, you have died to this world and are alive in the next. Our great commission is to evangelize the world. We will all die sooner or later unless He comes first. If you are saved you are prepared to die. There is no promise of tomorrow. I love America as much as anyone, but it will burn like the rest of them. I would like to make it last, but it is as doomed as Iraq. Non belief is non belief. Besides, God promises that it will get worse before He returns. Think of how Peter felt when Jesus told him that John had work to do, but that Peter would taste the same cup as Jesus. All apostles were murdered save John, and he was imprisoned. Why would we expect any different treatment?

America is just one more example of how God works. The Jews turned away from God and spent 490 years in slavery. We have only existed for 230 years. President Bush is probably the best believer we have had in decades, maybe centuries, yet you see how he is treated. The disease of sin has taken root in America and she is dieing. I remember when Pat Robertson said 9/11 happened because of sin in America and he was chastised from everywhere. Can God use Pharaoh to chastise His children? We've murdered 40 million babies since the '60's and homosexuals are kissing on prime time TV. The president of the US committed adultery and most likely rape, and was re elected, and even today draws cheering crowds. There is a reason we won WWII and lost Viet Nam. It wasn't the military, it was the people. We've lost 3000 men in the Iraq war and people want to give up and get back to their porn and gangsta rap. In WWII, we lost 6000 or more in one day. The enemy seeks to kill and destroy, and we can't wait for it. We have had plenty of time to repent. I think we gave God His answer Nov. 7th. My choices to choose from for 2008 are Hillary and Guliani? Do you believe a strong military is what wins wars? When a mushroom cloud rises over America, are we going to blame Bush or ourselves. If you've ever read about catching Benedict Arnold, Washington said it had to be God's providence that allowed him to be caught. If the message had gotten through, America would have lost the war.

I'm saved, but a country can only repent in a fixed time. It may be too late. Even New Yorkers have forgotten 9/11. People even went to church for a couple of weeks. How many do today? We seem to believe that because there isn't a flash of lightning and a clap of thunder when we commit sin, we got away with it. The debt is great and the bill is coming.

150 posted on 11/15/2006 10:14:32 PM PST by chuckles
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