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To: Colonel Kangaroo
No inconsistency in principle.

LOL! They are all his words. He was against slavery, but recognized the Constitutional authority that allowed it.

He let his personal convictions trump the Constitution and failed to uphold his sworn oath to adhere to the terms of the compact.

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the affirmation that all Constitution protections should be extended to all American citizens.

Please show me the Constitutional Article that gave him the authority to promote someone from 'property' to 'citizen'.

56 posted on 11/14/2006 9:38:42 AM PST by MamaTexan ( I am not a ~legal entity~....... nor am I a 'person' as created by law.)
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To: MamaTexan
ME:the affirmation that all Constitution protections should be extended to all American citizens.

YOU:Please show me the Constitutional Article that gave him the authority to promote someone from 'property' to 'citizen'.

I wasn't referring to emancipation of slaves. I was talking about Lincoln's desire to extend Constitutional protection to all citizens, be they northern or southern. Lincoln hated slavery and the efforts to subvert the precedent of the Northwest Ordinance, but he also loved the Constitution and the rights it granted to all Americans.

57 posted on 11/14/2006 9:51:11 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: MamaTexan
LOL! They are all his words. He was against slavery, but recognized the Constitutional authority that allowed it.

A lot of people are against abortion but recognize the legality of the practice as ruled by the Supreme Court. There is no hypocrisy in that.

He let his personal convictions trump the Constitution and failed to uphold his sworn oath to adhere to the terms of the compact.

When faced with extraordinary circumstances, Lincoln acted as he believed the Constitution allowed him to. I'm not aware of any case where Lincoln deliberately took actions he knew were unconstitutional.

Please show me the Constitutional Article that gave him the authority to promote someone from 'property' to 'citizen'

Lincoln promoted from 'property' to 'free'. His authority to do so came as a offshoot of the Confiscation Acts passed in 1861 and 1862 and later upheld by the Supreme Court. These allowed the government to seize without compensation private property used in support of the rebellion. Actual citizenship had to wait for the 14th Amendment, because of the Scott v Sanford ruling.

67 posted on 11/14/2006 5:40:08 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MamaTexan; Non-Sequitur
Please show me the Constitutional Article that gave him the authority to promote someone from 'property' to 'citizen'.

Displaying your ignorance of history.... again.

Try reading The Emancipation Proclamation with some understanding instead of your uninformed neoconfederate babble.

What Lincoln did was perfectly within the Constitution and it did not confer citizenship on anyone. The 14th Amendment, over a year after Lincoln's death did that. (It was those damn nasty Radical Republicans again. What next... declare infants in the womb citizens????)

From a Constitutional standpoint, it's impossible to argue with the Emancipation Proclamation unless you think that "we are endowed by our Creator with an unalienable right" to keep other people as 'property.'

Is that what you think, Moma?

Lincoln had far more respect (or at least understanding) for the Constitution than you or any of your paper neo confederate simpletons.

Your 'sainted ancestors' were probably fine people, but like all people, they were wrong on some things and on slavery and attempting to destroy the Union over slavery, they were deadly wrong.

Standing here in front of the world telling everyone that they were right and Lincoln was wrong makes you look like a damn fool and makes your ancestors look like evil people instead of simply mistake people, which we all are or will be on one point or another.

72 posted on 11/14/2006 7:42:30 PM PST by Ditto
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To: MamaTexan
Please show me the Constitutional Article that gave him the authority to promote someone from 'property' to 'citizen'.

Article 1, Sec. 8, Clause 4: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization". The power to determine citizenship rests with the federal government.

136 posted on 11/16/2006 11:20:55 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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