[Rabble]

"as God gives us to see the right,"

I question the character of a man that invokes God but was not a believer in God, never joined a church, and often mocked Christians and Christianity.

Source: Doris Kearns Goodwin's book titled "Team of Rivals"

[fortheDeclaration]

Since I have that book, might you cite something from it to back up your contention?

Lincoln grew in his faith during the war and saw God's hand in it.

[Daaave]

Doris Kearns Goodwin, Liar
First she plagiarized. Then she claimed it wasn't plagiarism.

By Timothy Noah
Posted Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2002, at 4:43 PM ET

"Now that Goodwin has not only committed plagiarism, but lied about whether it was plagiarism (and, incidentally, paid hush money to one of the people she plagiarized), Harvard's Board of Overseers (i.e., its board of directors) might ordinarily be expected to revoke these awards. Except—whoops!—Goodwin is also a Harvard Overseer!"

"[Update, Jan. 25: The author Goodwin paid off, Lynne McTaggart, now tells the Weekly Standard's Bo Crader (who broke this story) that the plagiarism was more extensive than has been reported. She also says that she received "a substantial monetary settlement" from Goodwin, not "a token sum."]"

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com/

[Daaave]

"That I am not a member of any Christian church is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular....I do not think I could myself be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, or scoffer at, religion." [July 31, 1846]

"Mrs. Lincoln stated that after the demise of their son Willy in early 1862, her husband drew much closer to God."

(Excerpt) Read more at Lincoln's Faith in God

[Non-Sequitur]

I question the character of a man that invokes God but was not a believer in God, never joined a church, and often mocked Christians and Christianity.

And I question the character of a man who questions the character of a man who he doesn't really know. Lincoln's spiritual beliefs were complex and perhaps unorthodox, but they were there.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I question the character of a man that invokes God but was not a believer in God, never joined a church, and often mocked Christians and Christianity.

Perhaps you like this example of Southern "conventional Christianity" more:

Methodist Rev. John T. Wightman, preaching at Yorkville, South Carolina: "The triumphs of Christianity rest this very hour upon slavery; and slavery depends on the triumphs of the South . . . This war is the servant of slavery." [The Glory of God, the Defence of the South (1861)

(Not all southern Methodists believed this way. There was a good number who were persecuted by the thug reb regime for their loyalty to the old government.)

I've got a lot less problems with Lincoln's character than with that of southerners like Wightman who invoked Christianity in the maintenance of their material well being at the expense of others.

[AmusedBystander]

I question the character of a man that invokes God but was not a believer in God, never joined a church, and often mocked Christians and Christianity.

"I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day." Abraham Lincoln.