[kesg]

Try to control yourself; while it might be important, it's not THE issue for most people.

No kidding. The GOP can read the election returns with the best of them. The most ominous return was a drop of almost 10 percentage points in the Hispanic vote. Note further that rabid anti-immigration candidates Graf and Haynesworth lost in GOP-friendly districts in Arizona. Let me repeat that: Arizona. That's the future of the GOP in a nutshell, unless it begins actively competing for Hispanic votes. Welcome to political reality.

[Howlin]

The most ominous return was a drop of almost 10 percentage points in the Hispanic vote.

Here is the supreme irony; all we read on this forum are "real, true conservatives" demanding their pound of flesh from Bush day after day -- "We put him in office and he's deserted us!" -- blah blah blah.

When, in fact, it was the Hispanics who put Bush in office in 2000 and 2004, not the "real, true" conservatives.

I once tried to point out to an unappeasable "I'm gonna take my vote and stay home if Bush doesn't..." poster that usuing his own rational, the Hispanics were entitled to demand things from Bush, too..........but do you think they saw it that way?

[Arizona Carolyn]

Graf lost because the RNC refused to support his race financially when their open border candidate lost in the primary. As a result, Graf couldn't get the word out that he was trying to close the border, not send everyone in the district back to Mexico.

Hayworth may not have lost there is still 185,000 absentee ballots to be counted.

Illegal immigration was not the issues Mitchell used against him, Mitchell himself ran on stronger borders, rather they used Abramoff, Stem Cells, his wife being a lobbiest against him.

FYI we passed an English only ammendment and no services for illegals handily last week, what didn't pass was the marriage ammendment...