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Speculation: Microsoft will probably start selling/distributing linux soon
royans.net ^ | Nov 13, 2006 | royans.net

Posted on 11/13/2006 1:51:43 PM PST by bigdcaldavis

Anyone can tell you an interesting story, but when it comes to Microsoft and Novell’s recent deal Linux enthusiasts around the world have more than a couple up their sleeves.

Microsoft has a long history at killing competition. They started with Novell’s Server market, they tried to do with Java, and today they are trying to do it against the Anti-Virus vendors. They succeeded against Netscape, gained significant grounds against Sony’s Playstation, and killed a thousand other products that I can’t name because I forgot about them after Microsoft obliterated them out of the market. If any of you are XBox lovers, I don’t have to tell you that in the war over consoles Microsoft has been losing money on every XBox it sells. Zune (the competition to iPod) is said to have a similar strategy. In short Microsoft has a huge bank balance and can pump in a lot of money until the competition goes bankrupt.

As a result of this announcement its not a surprise that the Linux world is almost up in arms against Novell for giving in for a few pieces of silver. I on the other hand have a different prespective on it.

* Microsoft isn’t interested in suing anyone (anytime soon atleast) because of its Vista launch schedule and the tricky negotiations going on in Europe * SCO has already tried the same FUD which Microsoft is accused of trying. In fact if you remember Microsoft had “licensed” SCO unix in a similar deal which was indirectly used to fund SCO’s battle against IBM/Linux * Most of the other visible products Microsoft has went after till now have been markets where Microsoft didn’t really have a foothold. Linux is one of the very few unique products which started up as a competitor to Microsoft has has gradually increased in popularity over the years. [Firefox/Mozilla is the other one which I admire] * The other interesting point to note is that unlike most other commercial vendors who got nailed by Microsoft’s pump and dump strategy, Linux is not a commercial entity which can go bankrupt. They can kill Novell, but it will be very hard for them to kill the whole linux movement.

My personal analysis is that Microsoft is afraid.

* Its so afraid of loosing this battle that in its moment of desperation its ready to do anything short of launching a Microsoft branded Linux distribution. * The Financial deal Microsoft and Novell signed has a few hints of where this might be heading. * To begin with its clear both of them want to integrate each others OS using each others technology to provide a better virtualization experience. * Its also clear that though Novell might use significant portions of proprietary Microsoft technology (for example for authentication, authorization and accounting) Microsoft will mostly be using GNU code to which Novell doesn’t have any rights anyway. * So why is Microsoft paying Novell ? * And what’s the deal with 240 million dollars for linux license subscription cost ? What is it going to do with that many copies of linux distribution ? * Oh wait, they could embed it into your Microsoft operating system ? Have you ever thought which distribution of Linux you would use if your Microsoft OS copy you already have, has a Linux distribution pre-bundled with it? * Novell also mentions that it will pay Microsoft a minimum amount of licensing fees, which can increase depending on its own sales. So may be it will sell Windows as well… who knows. But it will sell something with at least some part of Microsoft code in it. * Finally based on my personal opinion (with no understanding of financial details) it almost looks like Microsoft has kind of bought a share of Novell’s company and wants a piece of the action every year. * May be Microsoft is going to announce something even much more significant which will dramatically increase Novell’s sales. May be Novell is an investment after all… not just a pump-and-dump target.

My thought process finally took me to the one place I didn’t want to go… Its the thought that Microsoft will soon bundle Suse linux with one of its own products.

Coming back to the discussion on whether we should abandon Suse or not, I personally think it doesn’t matter as long as Microsoft is not trying to kill it. Stop acting like a 5 year old kid who doesn’t like the big guys. If anything, you should be excited about more commercial support behind your favourite OS. And if they really do bundle Suse with every Desktop/Server OS thats exactly what I wanted when I joined the revolution. Linux on every desktop… I have said this before, and I’ll continue to say it that I’m not opposed to Microsoft Linux as long as others can innovate and keep Microsoft on its toes.


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To: MikefromOhio

Yep, will gild it later on when I head home...8^)


61 posted on 11/13/2006 7:00:01 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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forgot the call to St. Dogbert...8^)


62 posted on 11/13/2006 7:06:25 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: MadIvan
I use Ubuntu Linux and PC BSD. Microsoft has no place in this house.

That's fine. The Microsoft-Novell SUSE linux partnership isn't targeted at you or any other home desktop user anyway. Ubuntu is a fine cottage linux distribution for all the onesies and twosies wonks and wonkettes out there pounding keyboards in their dens and home offices.

The Microsoft-Novell SUSE linux partnership is targeted at businesses. It represents a necessary and healthy maturing and mainstreaming of linux.

I will add this: Novell has a SUSE linux distro for the desktop user (SLED 10) that is absolutely wonderful. I love it.

63 posted on 11/13/2006 7:07:50 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Golden Eagle
Here's your favorite picture Iggle....


64 posted on 11/13/2006 7:08:04 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: zeugma
I find it to be absolutely astounding that some people still have the gall to make that kind of a claim after we see thread after thread of people whose MS-Windows is completely borked because they've been infected with some spyware/trojan/worm dejure.

Well most normal people blame hackers for viruses and worms, not the victims. The Linux crowd always wants to blame everyone but the hackers though, which is more interesting.

OSX

Great software, which is why it isn't free.

65 posted on 11/13/2006 7:08:23 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

66 posted on 11/13/2006 7:08:46 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: JCEccles

Yes, I agree. SLED 10 is very well done--recommending it to friends and family alike...8^)


67 posted on 11/13/2006 7:09:20 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: MikefromOhio; JRios1968

68 posted on 11/13/2006 7:11:31 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

LOL


69 posted on 11/13/2006 7:11:51 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: MikefromOhio

70 posted on 11/13/2006 7:17:03 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Exactly.

LOL


71 posted on 11/13/2006 7:19:40 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: MikefromOhio

Now if only we could set the computer to display that all the time (LOL)..8^)


72 posted on 11/13/2006 7:22:04 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Well you know, people need to use Windows to know that there is something better out there :)

Windows - The training wheels of computer operating systems

:)


73 posted on 11/13/2006 7:22:51 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: MikefromOhio

74 posted on 11/13/2006 7:23:45 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: bigdcaldavis

There is no particular reason why a "For Dummies" Windows-style OS couldn't be built on a Linux foundation. Heck, todays Windows apps can run fine in a Linux environment, as long as it has the proper dlls and what not.

However, it'll be another long train trip down the failroad if they don't distribute the source code or try to prevent users from fiddling with the kernel via other means.


75 posted on 11/13/2006 7:24:05 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: rzeznikj at stout

LOL

Is there one out there for those damned COPYLEFTISTS?


76 posted on 11/13/2006 7:26:04 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: taxed2death

download a little program called ndiswrapper. It'll allow you to use your proprietary windows drivers, which you will have to recover from your Windows partition or your card manufacturer.

Precise instructions can be found by searching the ubuntu forums and wiki. :)


77 posted on 11/13/2006 7:26:28 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Golden Eagle
you're the one who made the claim:

Linux is only free to those whose time is worth nothing.

I merely pointed out that not only is this not the case, but laughingly not. *nix systems are demonstratively more secure than anything Microsoft pushes by orders of magnitude by virtue of the fact that none of that crap I mentioned is necessary to surf the internet with *nix systems.


 

78 posted on 11/13/2006 7:27:29 PM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: MikefromOhio
Sure, we're on the bus, remember? 8^)


79 posted on 11/13/2006 7:28:02 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

LOL

to the convention!!


80 posted on 11/13/2006 7:28:38 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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