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The GOP debacle: Thank you, Rush Limbaugh
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Posted on 11/13/2006 7:13:48 AM PST by truthfinder9

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To: truthfinder9
To discuss Fox or Limbaugh's influence on the election and not mention cloning seems a bit disingenuous.
41 posted on 11/13/2006 7:27:24 AM PST by Quilla
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To: truthfinder9
I don't know, it seems a bit of a cop-out to blame Rush for any of this. Sure, he was probably a jerk by mocking Michael Fox as he did, but, cripes, the guy is a radio commentator. He was not a candidate for any office. He is not in any policy-making position with the government.

The first step in recovering from any setback is to see it like it is and tell it like it is. For the most part, the 'Rats beat us fair and square this election. They were smart about exploiting the issues that were of concern among the electorate. They paid attention to the polls and correctly interpreted the mood of the electorate, and we did not. Instead of listening, we chose to convince ourselves that what we were seeing in the polling data "had" to be wrong, and ended up fooling only ourselves. They recruited candidates who would not only appeal to the 'Rat base, but also voters outside the base. They squeaked out close victories in tight contests and blowouts in those that were less competitive. Our party and candidates were the ones who lost on Election Day, not Limbaugh. He'll go on as he always has until his ratings drop to the point of where he doesn't attract enough sponsors who pay enough to keep him on the air. Meanwhile, our party has to pick up the pieces and try to come back. And we won't do that effectively by blaming outside agencies for our losing.

42 posted on 11/13/2006 7:27:34 AM PST by chimera
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To: truthfinder9

"He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act."

Total B.S.

Rush said: "I don't know if he's acting or not".


43 posted on 11/13/2006 7:28:46 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: LC HOGHEAD

I absolutely agree.

Buth the MSM twisted Limbaugh's words into meaning something entirely different.

I found myself having to explain this to at least three people who thought that Limbaugh was an a**hole for what he said about Fox.

When you fill people in on the facts, they look at something different. All three people I talked to said "Oh, I didn't know that" after I explained it to them.

However, the MSM counts on the real facts not being looked at in a situation like this. And to some extent, I believe that Limbaugh's comments (taken out of context) may have marginally hurt the GOP at the polls.


44 posted on 11/13/2006 7:28:58 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: truthfinder9
However, many conservative Republicans (including Limbaugh) took a stand of blanket opposition to all embryonic stem cell research as such, on religious grounds that the embryo is a person.

My objection to abortion has absolutely no religious underpinnings. I’m basically an agnostic.

I simply don’t think people should be legally allowed to kill innocent people because they find them inconvenient or bothersome or they want to harvest their valuable biological components.

It’s a human rights issue.

45 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:00 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: truthfinder9

Blame blame blame blame.

It's getting old.

The fact remains that the Captain of the Ship is responsible for his ship and for the conduct of it's crew.

Point out the Captain and you've found the problem.

But one week later does it really matter? The GOP is still out of power and they have nobody to blame but themselves.


46 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:05 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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WOW... if we are ready to BLAME Rush for this loss... We are a deeper Sh-- than I thought. So many things contributed to this that I would not know where to start. Did you know that there were "rumors" G Allen had a couple of homos working in his office... in important positions! (I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW... THE SKY IS FALLING..), BUT, who is going to prove that it didn't, etc, etc.

All take a look at this. The election was not lost in TWO WEEKS!... is was an accumulation of things like:

As long as we are thinking toward to 2008, I think it is only fitting to revise what Senator MacaCain’s actions to sabotage the Republican Party in the past two years, especially as he comtemplates running for President. Let's remember...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/HughHewitt/2006/11/08/the_road_not_taken__forfeiting_a_majority


47 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:05 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: truthfinder9

The author is a complete idiot. Ammendment 2 in Missouri was purposely mis-named to hide the real purpose -- It was not about embryonic stem cell research, which is already legal in Missouri. The measure actually legalized human cloning.


48 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:12 AM PST by Babu
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To: dfwgator
I agree. The Ted Haggard scandal certainly didn't help matters either.

Concerning the Libertarians: My congressman, a one-term Republican incumbent, was defeated by a Democrat who was the previous incumbent. The margin of victory was 3%. But a Libertarian ran, getting 4%. As it happens, I am acquainted with the Libertarian candidate. He tells me his polling shows he mostly drew votes from the Democrat. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it makes me wary of blaming the Libertarians for the present debacle.

49 posted on 11/13/2006 7:29:58 AM PST by megatherium
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To: truthfinder9

What a crock!

The GOP has no one to blame but themselves.

NO ONE!


50 posted on 11/13/2006 7:30:25 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: truthfinder9
...embryonic stem cell research is one promising area....

With this, the writer forfeits all credibility, and I leave off reading.

51 posted on 11/13/2006 7:30:28 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: truthfinder9
Once he stepped into the political arena, Fox--like the Jersey Girls--is not exempt from public criticism. Fox campaigned for John Kerry in 2004.
F*ck all these Hollywood freaks, especially FOX. I'd rather trust Limbaugh.
52 posted on 11/13/2006 7:30:50 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: OldFriend
there is nothing in the scientific research to indicate a single area where embryonic stem cell research is going to assist in a cure of any disease.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Embryonic stem cell research has only been going on for 7 years. Given the interminable amount of time for the FDA to approve therapies, it is not surprising that so far there have been zero approved treatments. But to say there is "nothing in the scientific research" that shows promise for this type of therapy is wrong.

Just this morning, a story was published showing that ESS-based vaccines prevented lung cancer in mice with an 80-100% success rate. "Researchers believe that it will be possible to produce cancer vaccines in humans from embryonic stem cells."

54 posted on 11/13/2006 7:31:42 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: truthfinder9

Why is everyone blaming everybody but the guilty party? The Pubbies had twelve years to frame the debate and move the agenda, and they did nothing. The blame starts and stops with the Republican party.


55 posted on 11/13/2006 7:31:54 AM PST by Nachoman (Just because you're a kook doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy.)
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To: truthfinder9

Rush probably accounts for some negative votes, between the Fox thing, his ego and his drug habits. But in the grand scheme of things Rush has done more to promote conservatism than the rest of the pundits and politicians put together. He has been the main counterpoint to the MSM, he's been the other side as he says. The good he's done is incalcuable.

One wonders if, without his influence, the Republican Party would even pretend to be conservative any more. Since pretending seems to be about all they do these days.

In any case, as the author says, there is plenty of blame to be thrown around. But most of it lies at the feet of our leaders in the Republican Party, from the President on down.


56 posted on 11/13/2006 7:32:04 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: Eagle Eye

Yep, the GOP has had their "Pogo Moment."


57 posted on 11/13/2006 7:33:04 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: truthfinder9
(shaking head) Even the MSM are starting to fess up that they propogated an inaccurate portrayal of Rush Limbaugh's comments and description.

That ship sank last week so there's no point trying to sail it.

58 posted on 11/13/2006 7:33:06 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: CyberAnt

I'd say a large portion of the blame goes to those military folks and their dependents registered in Virginia who voted for Webb. Allen didn't count on that. He was expecting those absentee ballots from the servicemen to put him over the top. A sizeable number of folks in uniform and their family members voted for the guy who offered the most likely chance of bringing their serviceman home.

I was surprised at the number of military folks, particularly in Hampton Roads who voted for Webb. I can't say I blame them. Some of these guys are on their third rotation into Iraq or Afghanistan while mom's at home with the kids. You can't expect to run an all-volunteer army using "stop-loss" orders to keep the volunteers from separating from the service. Without a draft, military families are bearing a huge, thankless burden. More than any other reason, they're why Allen lost in Virginia.


59 posted on 11/13/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by gregwest
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To: truthfinder9

>>This viewpoint, also reflected in general conservative "right-to-life" opposition to abortion, is justifiably rejected by most Americans.<<

So? Since when did public opinion become God. It certainly wasn't God in late 1930's Germany, or Iraq or most countries today. Sticking with ones principles often means going against public opinion. The courage to do so is what separates the men from the boys.


60 posted on 11/13/2006 7:33:38 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world now than Naziism was in 1937.)
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