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To: des

all of you anti Rudy posters will cry a lot more when hillary becomes president!!!!

he is not the liberal that everyone protrays him...and if the elections have taught anything...the party that is more centrist will win....

hillary has positioned herself right of pelosi and reid..this will help in 2 years

Rudy may not be in favor of guns but does NOT want to amend the 2nd amendment to the constitution.....

He is tough and accurate on many issues....if he runs...he should be supported fully....

again...go ahead...decry and make your point...sit on your hands in 2008....

then in 2009 cry in your beer as the piaps (hillary) is sworn in!!!!!


19 posted on 11/13/2006 3:21:34 AM PST by hnj_00
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To: hnj_00

For starters, anyone who thinks Hitlery Clintong is the be all, end all of the '08 election has already conceded defeat, believes the left wing media driven drivel, or has other motives.


25 posted on 11/13/2006 4:32:13 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: hnj_00
if the elections have taught anything...the party that is more centrist will win....

Do you have statistics to back this or is this merely opinion. I'm finding everyone has and OPINION. This doesn't mean they're correct.

There are many who claim that the reason Republicans lost is because they had abandoned conservative principles.

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing people's opinions. I want answers and hopefully, a strategy to take back control.

I consider myself a very conservative evangelical but I will not for one minute ever consider not voting Republican, or in any way allow RATS to gain control.

I will fight like heck in primaries to see to it that the most conservative person is elected but if my person loses the primary, after that, it's a unified fight to keep any RAT from gaining any power. We can never advance by losing.

27 posted on 11/13/2006 4:36:49 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: hnj_00
I lived in NY just before he took the mayoral position and left just before 9/11.

The transformation the guy brought to the city was nothing less than superhuman....mind boggling really.

Rudy's greatest weakness is his tendency to over reach....it could get him in trouble in DC. However, he would be a blast to watch operate; his iron fisted ways against the DC establishment. He'll get my vote.

If he runs as a Scalia Republican, his the social issues that militant Freepers would commit Harry Caray over should be of little concern.

33 posted on 11/13/2006 5:12:16 AM PST by zarf
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To: hnj_00
I lived in NY just before he took the mayoral position and left just before 9/11.

The transformation the guy brought to the city was nothing less than superhuman....mind boggling really.

Rudy's greatest weakness is his tendency to over reach....it WILL get him in trouble in DC. However, he would be a blast to watch operate; his iron fisted ways against the DC establishment. He'll get my vote.

If he runs as a Scalia Republican, his positions on the social issues that militant Freepers would commit Harry Caray over should be of little concern.

34 posted on 11/13/2006 5:13:11 AM PST by zarf
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To: hnj_00
the party that is more centrist will win . . . .

A Republican candidate who moves to the left (or who, like Giuliani, is already to the left of center) undoubtedly picks up votes from so-called moderates and "centrists."

But that doesn't fully solve the problem. Such a candidate also loses support on the right. Conservatives simply stay home on election day.

The only way "moderation" works as a strategy for a Republican candidate is if he picks up more actual election day support from the left-of-center and so-called moderate voters than he loses on the right. I believe the most recent election shows that such candidates lose more votes than they gain.

Pit a "moderate" Democrat against a "moderate" Republican for president and who are the "moderates" and the left going to pick? They'll pick the Democrat, the real deal, every time.

Now, someone please list for me all of Giuliani's supposed conservative virtues. Can ANYONE come up with more than two and back them up with evidence that he really believes them? Second Amendment? Taxes? Spending? Affirmative action? Culture of death (abortion, euthanasia etc)? SCOTUS Justices? Hate crimes?

45 posted on 11/13/2006 5:36:57 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: hnj_00

Giuliani is NOT centrist unless you are putting the centr somewhere near Mrs. Pelosi. His ability to handle crime and to make a good presence at WTC does not put him in the center. And his scandal-ridden life will be the primary focus of MSM news once he is a contender. I can't see Mr. Gingrich make it through the MSM either due to his demonstrated social/moral dysfunctionality and I pretty much like Newt.


46 posted on 11/13/2006 5:42:45 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: hnj_00

Rudy is the only currently visible Republican candidate that I think would guarantee a win for Mrs. Clinton. However much some people like him for his strength and determination and however much some people think that people with reservations against Rudy are just wrongheaded, the high probability is that Conservative Christians will not vote for him in sufficient numbers to make his total even respectably close. Rudy will be an occasion for voter lethargy.


48 posted on 11/13/2006 5:48:11 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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