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Space Impact 'Saved Christianity'
BBC ^ | 6-23-2003 | David Whitehouse

Posted on 11/12/2006 10:29:21 PM PST by blam

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To: geopyg

The odds of two meteors entering the atmosphere at significantly different angles at the same time is beyond astronomical...


21 posted on 11/12/2006 11:47:34 PM PST by DB
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To: blam
It didn't 'save it', just helped it to get the upper hand much sooner than it otherwise would have. With the decay and collapse of the Roman Empire, a religion that preached a close-knit society where believers helped each other and showed each other mercy would have - by default if nothing else - carried the day anyhow.

The 'mushroom cloud' following the meteorite's fiery impact might well have looked like a cross as it rose up - Roman crucifixion crosses didn't always have the spoke rising up the middle, and often were "T" shaped.

22 posted on 11/12/2006 11:51:50 PM PST by Al Simmons (Q: Rudy/Romney? Romney/Rudy? McCain? A: ANYONE but 'Das Hildabeast'!!!)
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To: geopyg

Nope. The impact mushroom cloud would have looked exactly like a crucifixion cross - many of which were "T" shaped, unlike the modern version....


23 posted on 11/12/2006 11:53:56 PM PST by Al Simmons (Q: Rudy/Romney? Romney/Rudy? McCain? A: ANYONE but 'Das Hildabeast'!!!)
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To: DannyTN
"Meteors are natural but you really have to wonder about meteors that explode with the inscription "Conquer by this"."

Dude, since there were no biplanes around to 'write' in the sky with puffs of smoke, odds are pretty good that the phrase you quoted above is - how shall I put it - something called 'poetic license' on the part of the author....

24 posted on 11/12/2006 11:57:19 PM PST by Al Simmons (Q: Rudy/Romney? Romney/Rudy? McCain? A: ANYONE but 'Das Hildabeast'!!!)
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To: blam

Interesting article. Let's not forget though, that God is nature, and his miracles thus cannot be "supernatural," by the very definition. It's not so hard to believe that God would use a meteor or two, to send His sign, and it's really cool how he got the meteor to spell out "conquer by this."


25 posted on 11/13/2006 12:16:38 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: DB

So, are you saying that a God that created the Universe could actually cause two metors to fall where he wanted them to at the exact moment to carry out his divine will? Imagine that.... :) /sarc.... I'm with you.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 12:21:22 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Al Simmons
"Dude, since there were no biplanes around to 'write' in the sky with puffs of smoke, odds are pretty good that the phrase you quoted above is - how shall I put it - something called 'poetic license' on the part of the author...."

LOL, yeah, poetic license on the part of Constantine and his entire army. Considering that the army marched against odds and conquered, and it appears to have made a very dramatic change in Constanine's life, I'd say the odds are much greater that this wasn't a chance meteor with poetic license but was a true divine intervention complete with Holy Sky Writing.

People like Saul who are on the fast track to religious leadership don't suddenly have Damascas road conversions and become one of the people they are killing, enduring stoning and prison, unless something really happened.

A leader like Constantine doesn't suddenly embrace a new religion like Christianity as a motivational technique when most of his men aren't Christian. No leader would introduce an unpopular religious controversy right before a battle. But when the whole army sees the vision, they can kick butt, and there can be changed lives.

27 posted on 11/13/2006 12:24:30 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Yes, the sight of a fireball followed by a nuclear-like explosion indeed qualifies as a vision....no need to try to embellish it...


28 posted on 11/13/2006 12:31:21 AM PST by Al Simmons (Q: Rudy/Romney? Romney/Rudy? McCain? A: ANYONE but 'Das Hildabeast'!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

There will never be enough proof to quiet the sceptics. You are shown the proof of a miracle in the sky, and now you ask for proof of the writing in the sky. It's hopeless to persuade those who will not see.


29 posted on 11/13/2006 12:32:42 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: jim35
I'm sorry. But I have grown tired of the biblical 'literalists'....and this ain't even the Bible....as a historian by training, I have to use some logic here.

Sorry if that offends you.

You ought to be happy that historical evidence now shows that the Constantine story wasn't made up after the fact, but was indeed based on a true event...

30 posted on 11/13/2006 12:44:13 AM PST by Al Simmons (Q: Rudy/Romney? Romney/Rudy? McCain? A: ANYONE but 'Das Hildabeast'!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Here's my question. Why is it some craters are the size here in the article.. and others, the size in Arizona? they always say the "rock" is the size of a car or motorcycle.. just curious
31 posted on 11/13/2006 12:47:35 AM PST by dcrider182 (Col. Dean R. Hiatt.. WWII Hero. LC.Cpl. Brad Shuder. 9-11 Hero.. you are both loved and missed)
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To: blam
This was a time when Christianity was struggling. Support from the most powerful man in the empire allowed the emerging religious movement to flourish.

I would argue that Christianity, in it's many forms extent at that time was not necessarily struggling, although historically, they did suffer from some persecution..

What "the most powerful man in the empire" did, was demand that Christian beliefs be consolidated into a religious institution acceptable to the emperor as a state religion..
He provided the early church with political power..

I would further argue that his imprimatur did not "save" Christianity, it may have destroyed it..
Christian beliefs were varied at that time, and many different sects and beliefs existed..
What we ended up with would probably not be recognized as Christianity by the believers of the time, and would likely be considered blasphemy by many..
Today's christianity is the result of a religious committee of "standards and practices"....

32 posted on 11/13/2006 1:11:54 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Al Simmons

Also, who needs biplanes, when you already have airworthy chariots of wheels within wheels (Ezek), flight capable angels, and ultimate power? Not to mention the ability to affect men's senses to cause them to see what you want them to see, like Jesus did right after the resurrection when he was talking to the men about the recent goings on, and he prevented them from recognizing him until he was ready.


33 posted on 11/13/2006 1:13:21 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: AmishDude
"Should we all pray towards it and go there, with a few of us dying in the stampede every year?"

No, eventually the mohammedans will claim it's an Islamic holy site and do that for us.

34 posted on 11/13/2006 1:23:52 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
scientists always look for the natural explanation

Yes, it's 'just' lightning, 'just' a supernovea, 'just'...

Nothing in this universe is 'just nature'. As Einstein said: there's two ways to look at the universe - either nothing is a miracle; or everything is.

35 posted on 11/13/2006 1:39:52 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: DannyTN
>"Of course, scientists always look for the natural explanation and God is on record for using nature at times."

Like this?

He really does love us, and want us to be happy. Lets have a beer!

Face found on Earth ala the Face on Mars... listening to an iPod...

36 posted on 11/13/2006 4:03:24 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jonathan Swift When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in)
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To: blam

That looks to me like the crater from a large artillery shell.


37 posted on 11/13/2006 4:05:20 AM PST by Renfield
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To: blam

I don't see teh connection.


38 posted on 11/13/2006 7:02:37 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: blam

It certainly does look like a Meteor impact and apparently did happen many centuries ago. As for the rest of the 'theory', simply amazing what they can deduce from such skimpy evidence.


39 posted on 11/13/2006 7:32:31 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: dcrider182

The larger the rock and/or the faster the velocity, the larger the crater; no one says the rock was the same size each time.

http://www.hartrao.ac.za/other/tswaing/tswaing.html

What Made the Crater?

Drilling in the crater has shown that the rocks forming it have been shocked by an explosion, and are not volcanic in origin. In the explosion that formed the crater the incoming object would have been largely vaporised - there is no large buried object in or under the crater. The absence of such a buried object at the Barringer crater in Arizona caused confusion as to its origins for many years, although in that case traces of the original iron asteroid have been found.


40 posted on 11/13/2006 9:03:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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