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To: SpaceBar
"It is legal to enter into contractual agreements involving real property with individuals who's very presence in the US is in violation of the laws of residency."

Not to mention the fact that the illegals are using forged, SSN's and ID's on the contracts they are signing. There are about three known felonies in this one transaction alone the illegals are committing, as well as the conspiracy charges for the Real Estate Broker! Fraud, False ID, Forging the SSN is a Federal Felony, Obtaining property under false pretense is a felony on most States in the United States.

Why someone in this Country thinks they can look the other way while felonies are committed by illegal immigrants and get away with it, certainly do believe we are living in a parallel universe for sure!

Is it not a felony not to turn in an illegal immigrant to the INS, and is it not called "misimprisonment of a felony?"
22 posted on 11/12/2006 6:05:33 PM PST by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN wounded and home recouping with my family!)
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To: paratrooper82
Is it not a felony not to turn in an illegal immigrant to the INS

If that were the case, then the entirety of the government of California would be behind bars.

Hmm...not a bad idea now that I think about it.

23 posted on 11/12/2006 6:29:47 PM PST by Prime Choice (The angel has spread its wings. The time has come for bitter things.)
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To: paratrooper82

Banks, including the Federal Reserve that ENCOURAGE illegal immigration by providing accounts and mortgages to illegals because it is 'profitable', are breaking our own Federal Immigration Laws and are subject to RICO prosecution. All it would take is one bank who refuses to follow this trend to file suit against the others. And just like the current RICO suits against employers of illegals, the OBLers are rushing to pass comprehensive reform that will make them legal, and give both the illegals and their employers amnesty to prevent the RICO suits.

"Another plaintiff that may be able to show injury is the competitor of a financial corporation that accepts the matricula consular or other foreign-issued identification card to open a bank account or engage in other financial services activity. By accepting the card in violation of the INA, the bank or other entity gains a competitive advantage similar to the defendant in Commercial Cleaning. The bank, for example, would unlawfully gain additional account holders, strengthening its competitive position by providing it with additional resources to invest in loans. This unlawful activity would injure competitor banks in a similar way that the plaintiff companies were injured in Commercial Cleaning. The law-abiding competitor banks would potentially lose loan customers because the bank acting unlawfully may be able to provide better loan terms or otherwise gain a competitive advantage due to its strengthened financial position.

Again, this would clearly injure the business capabilities of the competitors and give potential plaintiffs a valid claim under RICO against the offending entities. Knowing that they could be held criminally and civilly liable for such a practice, many businesses might reconsider the practice of accepting matricula consular cards in the future"

Some large U.S. financial corporations currently accept the matricula as primary or secondary ID for the purpose of opening bank accounts in the United States for illegal aliens. An illegal alien with a U.S. bank account, in which he or she may deposit illegally acquired funds, and out of which he or she may pay local rent, local utility bills, and send money abroad, is more likely to remain illegally in the United States. In other words, he or she is encouraged to remain illegally in the United States — such encouragement being a violation of Federal law.

When such a violation is done for the purpose of financial gain, as in the case of the financial corporations engaged in the practice, it is more than simply a violation of immigration law — it is racketeering. Also, those contemplating entering the United States illegally will be further encouraged to do so because of the added benefits they can obtain once they enter. Thus, it is reasonable to say that acceptance of the matricula is a violation of the INA and a predicate offense under RICO...............

With this predicate offense established, a bank that competes with the one accepting the card would only have to plead the other elements of a RICO claim — injury and causation — in order to survive a motion to dismiss and bring the case to trial. The plaintiff bank will likely be able to plead these elements. As mentioned in the discussion of the injury element above, the injury to the plaintiff bank would be lost market share and competitive disadvantage, leaving causation as the only remaining obstacle to receiving compensation for damages.

Under the "direct relation" test, the plaintiff will be able to prove causation. First, the plaintiff bank would be the direct victim of the defendant bank’s illegal activity, similar to the direct injury suffered by Commercial Cleaning at the hands of Colin Service Systems. Second, it will not be difficult to ascertain the damages attributable to the unlawful acceptance of the matricula. Regulations issued by the U.S. Treasury Department require banks to record the type of document used by an account applicant. Thus, the defendant would have records indicating how many accounts were issued on the basis of the matricula alone. Calculations, relatively simple for financial professionals, could then be made to determine the level of business the defendant obtained by its unlawful activity and the impact that that unlawfully gained business had on the market. Third, there is no risk of multiple liabilities due to the presence of second-tier plaintiffs. The plaintiff bank, a first-tier plaintiff, will likely be the only plaintiff with standing to sue since it is the only entity injured by the defendant. Though multiple banks may sue the defendant, all of these banks will be first-tier plaintiffs, so this last factor is not of any concern. Thus, banks accepting the matricula face the real possibility of RICO liability."

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back1103.html


24 posted on 11/12/2006 6:35:17 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08 www.firecoalition.com/www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com)
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To: paratrooper82

"Not to mention the fact that the illegals are using forged, SSN's and ID's on the contracts they are signing. There are about three known felonies in this one transaction alone the illegals are committing, as well as the conspiracy charges for the Real Estate Broker! Fraud, False ID, Forging the SSN is a Federal Felony, Obtaining property under false pretense is a felony on most States in the United States."

And if the SS number they stole is attached to someone else, woe to them getting untangled from the mess when the illegal bails town when they can't make the mortgage. This is especially hurting the retired on fixed incomes, when they get notices their benefits are being lowered or dropped because someone is working on their SS#.

Our personal information, including documents we have to have under penalty of law, are now a freely traded currency in the underground, has been for a long time, and will continue to wreck lives of law abiding citizens because there is NO penalty for abusing it. I recently had my car broken into, and ransacked, and one of the first things they asked me at the police department was, did you have your insurance and registration in the car? When i said no, she was relieved - and said to not carry it anymore. It's a #1 target now, because they clone them for illegals to "register" their beaters and stolen autos. I'm dumbfounded that an officer of the law TOLD me to break the law to protect myself from this kind of thing. She said that dealing with a citation for not carrying it is easier to deal with than having your registration stolen. This is insanity.

I know someone in Detroit who had her SS stolen by a Mexican illegal, who bought a house with it and opened up numerous credit accounts. The illegal was caught - and fled, but my friend is STILL dealing with her credit being completely wrecked, she can't even get a checking account. Her last resort right now is to hire a lawyer and get a new SS# (Thousands of dollars), or wait it out.

What people like the President don't understand, is the illegals talk out of both sides of their faces - sure, when the media interviews them, they're all meek, thankful little workers, who just want a chance to work and raise a family, "Oh, please, Jorges, if you give us amnesty we'll be good little citizens!"

Talk to them in real life, it's "Gringo" this, "Gringo" that, they have zero respect for our laws, zero respect for the people they hurt with their scams, and basically because they have the entitlement attitude that we "owe" them because we "stole" land way back when, they don't have to respect us or our laws. They simply don't care - in fact, the ones I knew, thought it was funny.

And to be honest, why should they care? If they get caught, NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM.

"American Citizen", and the rights and priviledges bestowed upon us in the Constitution, mean NOTHING now. Except the part that talks about paying taxes. Even with the stupidity of an amnesty, this kind of thing will continue, because who's going to risk actual punishment for missing mortgage payments, when you can fake all the documents, get a new house, trash it, then leave in the middle of the night and start over in the next town over? And on top of that, you KNOW the Feds don't care because they say they don't have the resources to investigate?

And we get to pay for it all. Lovely country we have here. Where can I go to get my fake SS#?


64 posted on 12/03/2006 8:52:25 AM PST by ByDesign
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