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TET II -- The End
Vanity with link to original article on Intellectual Conservative | November 12, 2006 | Christopher Barr

Posted on 11/12/2006 7:36:33 AM PST by FlameThrower

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To: FlameThrower

Nice article. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the left in the cold war, and their reasons for allowing the terrorists to win. I think the war for civilization is not over, but the cost has just gone up a great deal, as when Europe failed to stop Hitler in 1938, leading to millions more deaths. In that war, the outcome could have gone either way, and with Democrats in charge of a nuclear terror war, the outcome is not certain. The good guys don't always win--ask the Romans, or better, ask the Byzantines. Their empire was overrun by barbaric Muslims, too, their cathedrals turned into mosques, their men killed, their women made concubines. The people who did that are still there, and they still want to do that.


21 posted on 11/12/2006 8:57:35 AM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: FlameThrower
You're right, sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. We bounce back. Sometimes it takes five hundred years.

Worked: Thermopylae, Vienna, Spain, Punic Wars, WWI, WWII, Indian Wars.

Didn't work: Syracuse, Alaric, Vietnam, most Crusades, and most Colonial incursions.
22 posted on 11/12/2006 8:58:30 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Gaffer

While I'm certainly not advocating it, the loss of a number of major cities would be bad why?

An astute student of history and human nature, one Thomas Jefferson, predicted all this after witnessing the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution in France while ambassador there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.

That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.


"The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230


I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

"Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation." --Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

"Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

"An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

"I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120


23 posted on 11/12/2006 8:58:32 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: MamaLucci

>LA or Chicago or more likely targets, IMHO<

Like they have no allies there? LOL


24 posted on 11/12/2006 9:03:06 AM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: FlameThrower

Good first draft. Now read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" carefully and give it another shot.


25 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by Silly (still being silly)
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To: FlameThrower
There is no clash of civilizations, only internal rot and civil war in the West. The template could be a classic war of colonization, the Plantation policy in Ireland (since you mentioned Ireland). Islamic terrorism in the West is simply an offshoot of the violence of this new Plantation policy. The "War On Terror" is a place the Republicans go to hide from this civil war (something I've called the Galtieri Syndrome), ultimately what they are hiding from is the issue of race. In the unlikely event that Islamic terrorists set off a nuke in a Western city we will be treated to the spectacle of our leaders falling all over themselves to affirm the wonderfulness of diversity and the peacefulness of Islam, and sending out messages to all branch offices of the FBI to be vigilant on hate crimes against Muslims. So at least we'll get some laughs out of it, particularly if the Republicans are in office.

The supporters of the war in Iraq should have known the problems going in. It is, among many other things, a war of political correctness: we must pretend that Iraq is ripe for democracy and liberal society because to suggest anything else would be racist, wouldn't it? Family values, after all, don't stop at the border. GWB was compelled by his PC values to attempt nation building, it was built into the plan from the start and was not a result of pressure.

26 posted on 11/12/2006 9:07:15 AM PST by jordan8
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To: FReepapalooza
Like they have no allies there? LOL

Sure they do......but they don't set national policy, do they?

27 posted on 11/12/2006 9:08:03 AM PST by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Dick Bachert
....While I'm certainly not advocating it, the loss of a number of major cities would be bad why?...

All one needs to do is to "google search" the 2000 & 2004 Red Blue BY-COUNTY election map to see from whence America's problems arise...

28 posted on 11/12/2006 9:08:35 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
....Sic Semper Tyrannus.......

Very subtle....I once wrote a paper on this in college...most people would not understand it....

29 posted on 11/12/2006 9:11:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: KyHammer

You don't really understand the horrendous damage that will be done in the next two years, do you?


30 posted on 11/12/2006 9:12:13 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ScholarWarrior
....We have been fighting the lowlives since the dawn of time.....

And every civilized society has fallen too!

31 posted on 11/12/2006 9:14:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MamaLucci

If they were smart, they'd leave the northern, central northern, and western population centers alone. If they were smart, they'd attack the Red enclaves surrounding the southern, central and southwest urban areas...


32 posted on 11/12/2006 9:16:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FlameThrower

in three years of freep, this might be the single greatest post

mega bump


33 posted on 11/12/2006 9:21:45 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: txzman

We need to clean our own house first. We are long overdue for a cleansing of the murderous, treasonous Left from our country. Ugly to contemplate; ultimately, a necessity if America is to survive.


34 posted on 11/12/2006 9:24:23 AM PST by Noumenon (Liberals: America's domestic enemies. Treat them as such. With extreme predjudice.)
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To: Gaffer
They really do not care about Red and Blue. Their target is Western economic and political success. Because they do not have it. New York, DC, Chicago, London, Paris, Rome.... These are the targets.

My hunch is a European city, probably on the continent. Easier to get to. Or, NY or London -- difficult but the greatest value. I suppose, if I had to pick one city, I'd say London. Good local support assets, symbolic, culturally rich and European.
35 posted on 11/12/2006 9:29:33 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: FlameThrower
'Welcome to the future!'
36 posted on 11/12/2006 9:31:41 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: FlameThrower

It won't be London.. Blair is out, and the Dems do not realize the evil with which they are dealing. The worst hurt comes from destroying America. The old addage about the scorpion and the turtle will ring true, with the Slammies being the ones "who just couldn't help it."


37 posted on 11/12/2006 9:32:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Noumenon
RE: "We are long overdue for a cleansing of the murderous, treasonous Left from our country."

I certainly agree -- and have for decades.

It's been fifty years but I swear I remember something about defending against domestic enemies in the enlistment oath of the Armed Forces of the United States.

If necessary there's what I have often said, Every two-hundred-year-old republic is entitled to at least one patriot-dictator. Hey! I don't make the rules.

38 posted on 11/12/2006 9:50:26 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FlameThrower

Excellent post. Thanks!


39 posted on 11/12/2006 9:58:38 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: FlameThrower

Nice take on the current times.


40 posted on 11/12/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by e_castillo
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