Posted on 11/11/2006 12:00:19 AM PST by FairOpinion
The paper linked to this thread has some of the vote statistics you were looking for the other day. It includes 50 states. However they still don't show what the base did.
You were looking to see if the R base was effected in some way. Simple turnout numbers and percentage results won't show that. Those numbers will be clouded by all the various effects of the campaign, various events and the etherial thoughts in the heads of the "independent" voters that appear at various times to vote R. IOWs they don't show what the base R voter did. It shows the gross effect of what all voters did.
This paper shows an overall turnout increase and the rats got the votes from that increase. I can't see in this gross data any indicaiton that the real R base, voters that consistently show up and vote straight R by conviciton failed to show up and vote. I also can't call a person that votes for an R once, then votes D some other time a republican.
Good points,, independents are growing in numbers,, the days of wedding to a party just because of tradition may well have passed for good. That doesn't mean that they are automatically dem votes, but they would like to hear more than the usual vote for me, I won't do this or that, like raise taxes or not, anyone can say that, of course.
it will be incumbent that conservatives get out front and thoroughly sell the right's agenda effectively, that means being more effective at communicationg regardless the handicap they currently suffer due to a biased lefist media..
it can be done,, but it will take a lot more than what has been done to date.
let's have some substance and real debates in the open, dems will fall like flies were that to happen, to say that here in California debates were any more than token efforts is obvious, we had one losuy GUb debate which was a joke in format and regarding substance which was pretty lacking, none of the other debates for lower offices got much air play at all on major outlets in prime time, coincidence?
you would think voters at least deserve to see and hear who is going to be lording over them and their tax dollars to really decide who is blowing smoke and who is legit..
and being as the public airwaves are controlled by a lot of lefties and the permits to do so are issued for the public good supposedly , it's obvious they don't want to let their guys out there for all to see ,, you had to search pretty hard to see a lot of the debates , they were at odd hours in odd places.
as for the bashers here of conservatives and they know who they are, most of them are nothing more than Progressives trying to push social democracy under the guise of being moderates or neocentrists in both parties.. they are as useful at teats on a boar and a nuisance here when it comes to supporting a conservative agenda , imo,, quite a few of their candidates got purged in the election so that is at least a silver lining.
Everything the MSM printed or said that was anti-Republican, you repeated. Not once did you post anything that would encourage the voters, and not once did you post anything good about the right wing, state or national.
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Oh BS!!! another whiner is the last thing we need here.. to me , it looks like the TWirPs are running thick and feeling some heat and looking for anyone to blame..
if people are adult and not just looking to be hand fed good thoughts and told to think happy thoughts, then this nation is as good as lost.. if you want to take me on , then do it,, it is an open forum ,, I'm more than game ..
btw, you can take take your pedestal comment and shove it you know where. twisting and distorting and saying I am a mouthpiece for anti-republican sentiment is laughable,, Im an independent, ultra conservative and don;t take crap form either side, you don't like it, tough.
To impugn I suppressed the vote is idiotic, then you should continue to take your own advice and ignore them, if you want socialism to continue to grow, then distort my efforts to your own ends and don't whine when you have to pay the price for more of the same down the road.
it beats the one you're smoking dope out of..
btw, do you work for Tony Blair and the TWirPs?
Actually, the turnout was exactly the same (excluding California, Oregon and Washington) which was pretty pathetic since the eligible voters went from 198.9 mil to 205.6 mile in 4 years (which includes Cal, Or and Wa).
All that happened is that the votes for Republican and Democrats flip flopped from 2002 to 2006.
I'm not sure I believe their figures. I know I don't understand them.
Indeed it did...and I think that assumption has been disproven or has been rendered to the "yet to be proven" category.
Anyway, it's moot. What to do about 08 based on correct assumptions is the order of the day.
The Beast cometh in 08.
The reason Republicans lost was W's plan to spend his way to Republican dominance using other people's money never was a good idea.
Republicans stayed home in statistically significant droves.
How does anyone conclude from these statistics that to win in 2008 Republicans must move to the left? Does anyone really think the Republicans who stayed home did so because the Republican candidates weren't liberal enough?
What evidence do you have to support that claim?
I voted. But I live in Seattle....I was pretty much pissing against a hurricane.
"Those protest voting or who didn't vote had sh!t for brains."
One must tread carefully when one blames ones loss on voters who did not vote for you, rather than the party for no presenting a slate of policies and candidates which garners enough votes to maintain political power.
Such an attitude merely perpetuates the idea that we (the GOP are somehow correct, and the voters are contemptible....from there it is an easy path to dictatorial thinking and ultimately to dictatorship.
This thinking seems to dominate the GOP and even the debate here on FR.
We were wrong. The voters called us on it and we, as the results would have it, rightfully suffered the wrath of the electorate who do not want to buy what we, as a party, were selling.
Period.
The voters are not stupid. We are for not seeing what was in front of our face.
We can remain stupid, or we can educate ourselves and make ourselves into a party that can accomplish important strategic goals.
Having contempt for the electorate doesn't get us anywhere.
Maybe i dont know but there will be crying thats for sure about nancy and harry(you reap what you sow)
I'm wondering how many fraudulent votes the RATS managed to manufacture this go-round. It probably made a difference in some of the really tight races.
It's a factor.
You won't get it because they don't exist...and certainly not from this study.
The best they have to offer (that I'm aware of) is exit poll info and as another FReeper has already pointed out, you might as well pull random numbers from a Bingo machine.
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