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To: billbears
Don't accept the blame, blame others. I lean towards the Libertarian Party as it's the closest to what I believe and I'm conservative. And I wouldn't support 5% of what the Republicans have foisted upon the citizens of the respective states in the past 6 years.

Besides abortion on demand, drug legalization, unrestricted pornography, removing references to God from public life, what else do you like about Liberaltarians?

67 posted on 11/10/2006 8:29:22 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
An example of one of the dangers of any religious sect attempting to force its dogma on society as a whole through government dictate may be found in an interesting corollary.

The Patriot Act for example.

Limited Government conservatives screamed bloody murder at the blatant 4th amendment violations contained in it and warned that such a tool in the hands of even a benevolent despot would subject Americans to government control and surveillance that would be absolutely Orwellian.

I don't have to replay the verbal beat down that such conservatives received from the Party Republicans here and the justifications spouted for giving up a little privacy in exchange for security.

Now that such powers are shown to not be safeguarded by a permanent GOP majority I wonder how many feel the same.

Now that Nancy Pelosi; D. San Francisco is two seats from the Oval Office chair.

Many conservatives think the Church has its proper sphere in society and politics has its own and though they may have many of the same goals their means to the same end must be different..

And any melding of the two corrupts both and imagine if the Church shared or surrendered, even by mistake, its moral capital to say...a Hillary Clinton? I prefer my religion to be above politics.

80 posted on 11/10/2006 9:29:09 PM PST by KDD (Nihil est in intellectu quod non prius fuerit in sensu)
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To: pawdoggie
Besides abortion on demand, drug legalization, unrestricted pornography, removing references to God from public life, what else do you like about Liberaltarians?

Awwwww,look. Straw men, how cute. And you assume I support everyone of those too. That's especially nice. Abortion on demand, drug legalization, and unrestricted pornography are all state issues. Why? Because the Constitution of these United States did not grant those powers specifically to the federal government. Under original intent (a view foreign to Republicans and Democrats) if the separate and sovereign states choose to pass laws to prohibit such actions they damn well should. The intent was not that the states were subservient to the federal government but equal to the federal government. And in that position could pass laws that found favor with the majority of their citizenry.

As for removing references to God from public life, this is a 20th century invention (thanks of course to the passage of the 14th Amendment, thanks Republicans!!). The First Amendment was not even applied to the states until 1925 and not to religion specifically until 1947. I re-checked and I didn't find one Libertarian sitting on the Supreme Court that made that decision. The First Amendment is clear. Congress shall make...not the local town council, not the state legislature, but Congress.

However this goes both ways. You cannot demand that a private company somehow incorporate God into their marketing. If a company chooses not to use Christmas or God in their marketing don't shop there. Somehow though I don't think God is too upset if Best Buy doesn't have 'Jesus is the reason for the season' over every display of the Nintendo Wii either. Don't like it? Don't shop there. And yes for the record, I am a Christian. But I also recognize individual rights.

121 posted on 11/11/2006 6:29:04 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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