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To: Vicomte13
LOL! Did I get your panties in a Wad ? LOL!

People like you crack me up. You are so naive about our Founding Fathers and the history of our country. Plus reading what you wrote just has me shaking my head. You have been indoctrinated, and you do not even know it.

If you sent a kid to Catholic school, then would you agree that the school that would teach the kids about the Catholic religion in a positive manor? Like wise what about a Jewish school? So then you would agree that a government school (a.k.a. public school)paint government in a positive manor?

Let me start by saying you do not know the difference between democracy and a constitutional republic. I could school you on this, but it would be too long of a reply. So I am going to get right to the questions you need to res each. It will help you understand what I am talking about. Perhaps its above you? Nevertheless, I will give it a shot.


1)How many times can the word "democracy" found in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution?

2)Which articles of the Constitution grant specific powers to the federal government?

3)Which article of the Constitution restricts the powers of the government to only those specifically set forth in the Constitution?

4)Where in our Constitution is it stated that anyone has a right to vote for the office of President of the United States?

5)How did our original Constitution provide for the appointment of Senators?

6)Explain the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.

7)Was our country founded to be a country of majority rule?

8)Define a system of government where the means of production are owned and controlled privately.

9)Define a system of government where the means of production are privately owned but controlled by government.

10)Define a system of government where the means of production are owned and controlled by the government.

I suggest you read Pulitzer Prize winner David McCullough, "1776". This should answer almost all the questions. There are other books, but at least read this one.

Let me just say our country is great because of people and NOT government. The government did not invent the light bulb, the airplane, the car, radio, etc. It is individuals that have done this.

The social welfare state (a.k.a. the Great Society), which you love so much, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the prosperity of our great nation. Government does not EARN money, they take and redistribute. It makes people more dependent on government then less. It is not Progress to become more dependent. Progress is when you do not need to depend on anyone, and you are self reliant.

The Stock Market laws,rules, etc.... have NOTHING to do with the Welfare State. I do not have any issue with NYSE, NASDAQ, etc... rules.

Now where did I ever say about stopping blacks, or women from voting????? DUHHHH.......

No STUPID a Republic is not a Democracy. If it was the same, then why would they have two different names? You can redefine Democracy all you want, but at the end of the day it is mob rule. Regarding the Federalist papers please see above.

Given the way the Founding Fathers were about the role of the Federal Government vs. States Rights. I believe it is safe to say that they would not have endorsed it Social Security or the Great Society. How can you say you do not know is ridiculous. The Founding father believed in a small central government. States had more power. So this leads me to the question how can you say you don't know?

W did not want to dismantle Social Security. He wanted to reform it. W is a big government Republican. However, the "give me" generation does seem to mind screwing over future generations. Social Security is going bankrupt, and generation X will never see it. I guess that is the Great Society for you. You know the one you LOVE so much.

When you wrote, "The end results of Social Security are an economically more prosperous, more stable and freer country. Ditto for Medicare. Ditto for public education"

ROLTHFLMAO! I thought this is a real bright one I am talking to. Given the world's history failures of Socialist and Communist states. You are a Socialist without a doubt! I cannot believe you think Social Security, Medicare, and Government Schools have helped make us more prosperous!

That are notorious for being mismanaged. Social Security is going bankrupt you idiot because it has been mismanaged by the government you love so much! This is not a big secret. Good Grief!

Ever since the Department of Education has been created our government schools have over time got worst. We are globally no longer the leaders, math, science, etc.... We are a downward spiral not up. Private schools on the other hand do just the opposite.

Government is only good at one thing. That is the use of force. Everything else they fails miserably. A private firm can run a lot more efficiently than any government agency.

OK I know you are for BIG government. Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that the government will take care of us for school, social security, etc? Where do you draw the line? I just want to know this. OK what else should the federal government pay for? Maybe a car, clothes, etc...?

There is no free lunch. You either pay for it on the front end or the back end. Nevertheless, I rather do it myself then entrust the government. They screw up everything. Do you know how much Tax Revenue the Federal Government collects annually? Try over 12 Trillion Dollars. The Budget alone is over 2.5 Trillion dollars. However, I know you big government types think that is not enough money.

Tax cuts work. This is why our nation becomes more prosperous every time they happen. The Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush tax cuts each grew our GDP by leaps and bounds. However, our government spent more because they cannot be trusted. Less government is better. Look at the failures of Socialism, and Communism around the world.
383 posted on 11/12/2006 11:21:42 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

You wrote: "ROLTHFLMAO! I thought this is a real bright one I am talking to. Given the world's history failures of Socialist and Communist states. You are a Socialist without a doubt! I cannot believe you think Social Security, Medicare, and Government Schools have helped make us more prosperous!"

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the state. The United States is not socialist. Social Security, Medicare and Public Education are not socialism. And yes, Social Security, Medicare and Government Schools have absolultely certainly without a doubt made the country more prosperous, by making the elderly self-sufficient, by extending their lives (and therefore their purchasing of goods and services, including medical services), by relieving their children of the full burden of having to care for them in the long old age (thereby allowing the children, both sexes, to work, expanding the economy).

As to public education - isn't that how you learned to read and write and compute? Shall we scrap public education, then, and reduce your ilk to ignorant serfdom from birth?


390 posted on 11/13/2006 7:04:31 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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