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The End of Oil? Breakthrough Turns Coal Into Clean Diesel
National Geographic ^ | 4/18/2006 | Sean Markey

Posted on 11/10/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Disambiguator

Is that second one a Swiss Army crane?


41 posted on 11/10/2006 10:50:45 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Red Badger

3 carbon chain, propane, gas. easily compressable and a great fuel.

4 carbon chain, butane, gas. easily compressable and a great fuel.

5,6 and 7 carbon chain, pentane, sextane and septane, liquids and easily burned in an IC engine.


42 posted on 11/10/2006 10:50:48 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Wait a minute. Didn't the Nazis do this in WWII?? HAve to do some checking on that.


43 posted on 11/10/2006 10:52:19 AM PST by The peoples DJ
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To: dangerdoc

Nonetheless, diesal is much cheaper to produce than premium gasoline. No way in hell am I paying more for it, I'll buy a horse first. Oil companies which want to play that game can play it with somebody else.


44 posted on 11/10/2006 10:52:47 AM PST by tomzz
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Nope. They're both excavators used to strip-mine for coal.

Check this site for more interesting stuff.

http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/extreme/machines.html


45 posted on 11/10/2006 10:54:11 AM PST by Disambiguator (;^))
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To: tomzz

I can send you gassifier plans and you car run a normal IC engine on horse dung if you want!


46 posted on 11/10/2006 10:55:17 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Red Badger

So what happens if there is a coal shortage?


47 posted on 11/10/2006 10:57:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dangerdoc

Maybe they meant cannot be used as "diesel" fuel or conventional gasoline fuel...............


48 posted on 11/10/2006 10:58:18 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: dfwgator

I don't think that's gonna happen any time within our lifetime or children's......Unless the UMW gets uppity........


49 posted on 11/10/2006 10:59:31 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: The peoples DJ

Yes, and South Africa during the Embargo times.......


50 posted on 11/10/2006 11:00:39 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Red Badger

Diesel engines are made tougher because they have to be. The compression ratio of a diesel is around 24 to 1, to get that high of a pressure and to make use of the slower burn of diesel they use a longer stroke crankshaft which produces a lot more torque. The long stroke crankshaft will make it hard to get 7,000 RPM from the engine.

A gasoline engine and a diesel engine made to the same specks and run at the same RPM will last near the same number of hours. The diesel will make the oil dirtier faster and if not changed will cause more ware on the internal compotes.


The only real advantage of diesel is they run at a leaner air/ fuel ratio so they can get better mileage. They still blow a lot of soot into the air and will need some kind of scrubber to clean that up. If they want to make that fuel for all the diesel trucks then great but that fuel will cause more pollution in all the major cities.

A gasoline engine with water injection is a better solution from an emissions stand point.


51 posted on 11/10/2006 11:01:57 AM PST by Goldwater and Gingrich
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich

Both Honda and a Bosch partnership have both come up with soot removal systems that meet the newer diesel pollution standards, so that will not be a problem anymore........


52 posted on 11/10/2006 11:04:47 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707675/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1729053/posts


53 posted on 11/10/2006 11:08:01 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Nathan Zachary

There's no more stink in the ULSD fuels now sold. They took out all the sulpher that caused the stink.


54 posted on 11/10/2006 11:10:46 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: tomzz

It's not the relatively few diesel cars that suffer most from high diesel prices. it is diesel trucks. Almost everything you eat, wear, use, need, listen to, sit on, lay on or want comes to you all or part of the way by trucks, most of which are diesel powered.

The high price of diesel fuel is passed on to manufacturers, distributors and retailers who pass it on to consumers.

Nevertheless, you are right in implying that diesel fuel made from coal will bring down the price of oil.


55 posted on 11/10/2006 11:14:53 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal (q)
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To: FreedomCalls
Yes, and now the diesel fuel costs more and trucks that use it get fewer miles per gallon. Trucks now use more fuel to go the same distance. Exhaust spewing out of a truck's stacks might have less pollutants but spew for a longer period of time per trip. So where's the gain?

Typical government solution. The overall situation is worse than it was before government "helped" the problem.
56 posted on 11/10/2006 11:58:30 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal (q)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1735600/posts

This is the reason for Platform Item #5 in the above post.

57 posted on 11/10/2006 12:36:52 PM PST by Mariner
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Yes, and now the diesel fuel costs more and trucks that use it get fewer miles per gallon. Trucks now use more fuel to go the same distance. Exhaust spewing out of a truck's stacks might have less pollutants but spew for a longer period of time per trip. So where's the gain?

We are going from a 500-ppm diesel standard to a 15-ppm standard. To emit the same amount of sulfur pollutants you would have to use 33 times the fuel. Are you seriously arguing that whereas you might get 15 mpg from the current ULSD diesel, you used to get 500 mpg with the 500-ppm diesel fuel? You would have to use 33 times the fuel over the same distance to emit the same amount of sulfur pollutants with the new stuff as you did with the old.

58 posted on 11/10/2006 12:47:23 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Mariner

Yes, unless we force the issue, it won't happen very fast, if at all. The (D) preach a good line but don't do anything to help the problem. We have more coal than we know what to do with. Diesel from coal and other renewable sources will fix the imported oil problem, along with opening up the ANWR and Gulf of Mexico and California coasts.............


59 posted on 11/10/2006 12:48:25 PM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.


60 posted on 11/10/2006 1:09:24 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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