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1 posted on 11/10/2006 9:51:00 AM PST by SmithL
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"It came as a surprise,'' admitted Stan Devereaux, a spokesman for Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock, who lost the lieutenant governor's race to Democratic Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi. "We kept looking at the returns through the night and thought we had a chance, but when the returns (from Republican counties) came in, we didn't get the turnout we expected.''

No surprise to some of us. I voted for him but I also recognize that McClintock has a charisma problem. This is politics not brain surgery, he needs to find somebody else to carry his message.

46 posted on 11/10/2006 10:48:44 AM PST by RGSpincich
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Most here don't want to admit it, and I see very little discussion about it here for that reason,,,,BUT,,,

the polls, as a whole, were RIGHT ON THE MARK.

They were incredibly accurate in many instances--the VA race being a good example--as the RCP poll aggregation showed Webb with a tiny lead on Allen--exactly the outcome that occurred.

The vast majority of the polls told us exactly what we would see on election day--and only a small percentage ended up being outside the margin of error. Regardless of the biases (real and perceived), most polls were CORRECT.

I think every one should remember that next time--when everyone starts trashing polls because they don't like what they say.

47 posted on 11/10/2006 10:49:27 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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I know I should have voted more then three times


48 posted on 11/10/2006 10:55:43 AM PST by ustanker (The cave dwellers are happy!)
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Is there a list somewhere that tells the % of turnout for each state and compares it to other years?


59 posted on 11/10/2006 11:59:22 AM PST by Netizen (When the PINO signs his beloved scamnesty bill, the GOP officially dies and the Bush legacy is set.)
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Great victory for Iran.


71 posted on 11/10/2006 12:57:12 PM PST by alrea
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This is BS. I live in a Republican district in the Inland Empire, and there was a high turnout. Maybe there were more of us stuck with filling out provisional ballots than it seems, leading some to the erroneous conclusion that we didn't show up.


72 posted on 11/10/2006 12:59:54 PM PST by william clark
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"The conservative Republican base didn't show up.''

Arnold is doing to the Calfornia GOP what Pataki did in New York, destroying it by telling them they might as well submit. The California GOP needs to dump Arnold, lose the executive office once and come back stronger afterwards; while its still in the Union.


73 posted on 11/10/2006 1:00:59 PM PST by Wuli
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That's what happens when you have a pro-homo, pro-gun-grabber, pro-Hollyweird, pro-abortion liberal posing as a Republican at the top of the ticket running against an even more liberal Democrat. Conservative Republicans stay home.


78 posted on 11/10/2006 1:44:09 PM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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If they didn't show up at the polls then how could they be voters?

Drive by media at its best.


80 posted on 11/10/2006 1:49:28 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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I'd really like to find out :

1) What the turnout was of Republicans compared to Democrats was in 2006. We've been assured by the Rove GOTV machine that it would be as large if not larger than 2004. It didn't seem to look that way.

2) If the turnout as large for both parties ( as it seems so ), how many cross-voters were there ? In other words, how many the Dems voters voted GOP and how many of the GOP voters voted Dem ? I suspect the later was larger than the former.

3) Independents are 26% of the general electorate. How many of these voted Democrat ? THIS IS THE DECIDING AND SIGNIFICANT FACTOR.

And WHAT ISSUES motivated Independents to move towards the Dems ?

By looking at these factors, we can probably better assess what went wrong. You won't know where you're going unless you know where you're coming from.


85 posted on 11/10/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by SirLinksalot
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Wait 'til the RATS expose themselves for what they truly stand for (and it isn't America) in these next couple of years.

I suspect they'll be a MASSIVE EPIDEMIC of not only 'voter's remorse', but also 'non-voters' remorse'.

Wait 'til the early pullout in Iraq leads to the reprocussions of limp-wristed tactics against the WOT come to rear their ugly heads. Not to mention the loss of momentum in the whole middle east.

The RATS had better enjoy their tenure of House control. It may be short-lived.

89 posted on 11/10/2006 2:36:19 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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How much did McClintock lose by?


92 posted on 11/10/2006 2:46:56 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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This article is accurate. I watched the election returns for California very carefully Tuesday night, and I had detailed data which I had saved on my computer from Tom's 2002 Controller race to compare it against. Tom built up an early lead of over 180,000 votes from absentee ballots, which was far larger than his biggest lead of about 130,000 votes in 2002. I expected Tom's lead to diminish during the night, as it characteristically does for Republicans, but I thought it would still be enough to win.

California's large conservative Republican counties (Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, Ventura) typically are among the last to report their results, and their votes are needed to counter the heavily liberal northern counties such as San Francisco and Alameda as well as somewhat less liberal but enormous Los Angeles. This time the votes weren't coming in. Turnout in Republican counties was poor, so even though they went even more heavily for Tom than in 2002 he ended up losing by about 300,000 votes compared to roughly 30,000 votes in 2002.

The pre-election polling looked very good for Tom, but it assumed a turnout model for Republicans which was way off this year.


102 posted on 11/10/2006 3:12:46 PM PST by dpwiener
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Yes...it's gonna leave a mark, and it's time to put a steak on it and get on to the next election....


105 posted on 11/10/2006 3:23:23 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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If it makes anyone feel any better, neither did 600,000 of Hillie's voters from last time around.

Heh heh heh ...

114 posted on 11/10/2006 5:29:16 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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So if they stayed home rather than vote for a RINO Gov, they denied their state of a potentially great Lt. Governor (McClintock) and would've been 2010 Governor Candidate.


124 posted on 11/10/2006 8:23:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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California's Republican voters stayed home in droves on election day, as preliminary figures show voter turnout falling well below the state average in some of the most reliably GOP parts of the state.

Although the final totals won't be known for weeks, election day turnout in Fresno, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties, which all have Republican pluralities, ran as much as 10 percentage points below the state's 44 percent average turnout.


Comparing 2006 to 2002, since '02 was also a gubernatorial election, the turnout in GOP counties in California was generally worse, although the overall turnout percentage also decreased.


Among the 21 counties with over 150k registered voters each, totalling 88.5% of California's 15.8 million registered voters, red(Bush) counties generally had significant turnout percentage losses, while blue(Kerry) counties had minor losses or even modest gains. Blue counties generally had better turnout than red counties in 2006, whereas turnout was more uniform in 2002.


Below is a table of the registration and turnout data for the top 21 counties, as of Nov 12, 2006, sorted by gain in the percentage of voter turnout.

			2002	2002	2002	2006	2006	2006	'06-'02		2004 President
			Reg'd	Ballots	%	Reg'd	Ballots	%	Turnout		Red/Blue
County Name		Voters	Cast	Turnout	Voters  Cast  	Turnout  Gain		County vote
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Sacramento   		577156	320222	55.4	624444	254901	40.8	-14.6		even (Kerry, barely)
Riverside   		649670	309952	47.7	754986	260591	34.5	-13.2		Bush
Ventura   		391160	199708	51	391077	156283	40	-11		Bush
San Bernardino   	616402	294151	47.7	751652	276454	36.8	-10.9		Bush
San Joaquin   		247624	123783	49.9	270356	112965	41.8	-8.1		Bush
Alameda   		662339	350914	52.9	678765	306810	45.2	-7.7		Kerry
Kern   			259786	138087	53.1	289233	132106	45.7	-7.4		Bush
San Luis Obispo		140659	83903	59.6	155495	81290	52.3	-7.3		Bush
Santa Barbara  		194672	115488	59.3	183890	96417	52.4	-6.9		Kerry
San Mateo   		332070	174449	52.5	350427	162810	46.5	-6		Kerry
Stanislaus   		212642	95175	44.7	207162	81454	39.3	-5.4		Bush
Orange   		1298892	641784	49.4	1497365	670270	44.8	-4.6		Bush
San Francisco   	449396	224990	50	418285	190186	45.5	-4.5		Kerry
Placer			154130	87059	56.4	177539	93956	52.9	-3.5		Bush
Contra Costa   		484640	268415	55.3	486441	260155	53.5	-1.8		Kerry
San Diego   		1411808	683062	48.3	1381835	666650	48.2	-0.1		Bush
Fresno   		344359	155205	45	331968	154177	46.4	1.4		Bush
Los Angeles   		3976189	1768369	44.4	3914138	1839366	47	2.6		Kerry
Santa Clara   		731633	373267	51	749866	404401	53.9	2.9		Kerry
Sonoma   		232808	124870	53.6	234891	138128	58.8	5.2		Kerry
Solano   		175819	91280	51.9	163235	98881	60.6	8.7		Kerry
____________________________________________________________________________________
Statewide 	     15303469	7594228	49.6  15837108  7334443	46.3	-3.3		Kerry



This phenomenon is noticeable especially among the largest counties by voter registration, the top five of which together comprise 52.4% of the state's registered voters. It is very apparent that three of the five largest Bush counties had double-digit depressed turnout compared to 2002 and the large Kerry counties had higher rates of voter turnout compared to large Bush counties in 2006.


Below is a table of the registration and turnout data for the top 21 counties, as of Nov 12, 2006, sorted by the number of registered voters in 2006.

		2002	2002	2002	2006	2006	2006	'06-'02		2004 President
		Reg'd	Ballots	%	Reg'd	Ballots	%	Turnout		Red/Blue
County Name	Voters	Cast	Turnout	Voters  Cast  	Turnout  Gain		County vote
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Los Angeles   	3976189	1768369	44.4	3914138	1839366	47	2.6		Kerry
Orange   	1298892	641784	49.4	1497365	670270	44.8	-4.6		Bush
San Diego   	1411808	683062	48.3	1381835	666650	48.2	-0.1		Bush
Riverside   	649670	309952	47.7	754986	260591	34.5	-13.2		Bush
San Bernardino  616402	294151	47.7	751652	276454	36.8	-10.9		Bush
Santa Clara   	731633	373267	51	749866	404401	53.9	2.9		Kerry
Alameda   	662339	350914	52.9	678765	306810	45.2	-7.7		Kerry
Sacramento   	577156	320222	55.4	624444	254901	40.8	-14.6		even (Kerry, barely)
Contra Costa   	484640	268415	55.3	486441	260155	53.5	-1.8		Kerry
San Francisco   449396	224990	50	418285	190186	45.5	-4.5		Kerry
Ventura   	391160	199708	51	391077	156283	40	-11		Bush
San Mateo   	332070	174449	52.5	350427	162810	46.5	-6		Kerry
Fresno   	344359	155205	45	331968	154177	46.4	1.4		Bush
Kern   		259786	138087	53.1	289233	132106	45.7	-7.4		Bush
San Joaquin   	247624	123783	49.9	270356	112965	41.8	-8.1		Bush
Sonoma   	232808	124870	53.6	234891	138128	58.8	5.2		Kerry
Stanislaus   	212642	95175	44.7	207162	81454	39.3	-5.4		Bush
Santa Barbara  	194672	115488	59.3	183890	96417	52.4	-6.9		Kerry
Placer		154130	87059	56.4	177539	93956	52.9	-3.5		Bush
Solano   	175819	91280	51.9	163235	98881	60.6	8.7		Kerry
San Luis Obispo	140659	83903	59.6	155495	81290	52.3	-7.3		Bush
____________________________________________________________________________________
Statewide      15303469	7594228	49.6  15837108  7334443	46.3	-3.3		Kerry

Hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots have not been counted yet, so I'm not sure whether or not these turnout numbers for 2006 reflect those remaining ballots. These remaining ballots are unlikely to influence the outcome of the propositions or statewide offices, since so many people stayed away from the polls.

If turnout had been encouraged in GOP counties, perhaps Secretary of State Bruce McPherson might have overcome his 3% vote deficit to win reelection, State Senator Tom McClintock might have overcome his 4% vote deficit to win Lieutenant Governor, or Prop 90 (restrictions on eminent domain abuse) might have overcome the 5% vote deficit to pass.

These turnout data show that California voters haven't changed their views on conservative values; instead, many voters more likely to vote conservatively simply stayed home.

135 posted on 11/13/2006 2:02:17 AM PST by heleny
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btt


137 posted on 11/13/2006 8:55:42 PM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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