Posted on 11/10/2006 7:24:07 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We cannot allow amnesty for criminals. They must never be allowed to become U.S citizens. That'll be 12 million more votes for the democrats."
We will have amnesty for all those illegal aliens. When we controlled the government we had a chance, one last shot, to stop the flow. But President Bush and a sizeable portion of the Republican contingent still seated in the US Senate adamantly refused to do what Border Conservatives want.
Now the Democrats are in charge, Bush is still in the White House, and many of the Republican Senators who wanted amnesty are still seated.
I mention the Senators, because the only place to STOP amnesty is a filibuster (the President won't veto an amnesty bill; he wants one), and there are not 41 Republican Senators willing to filibster amnesty. Moreover, as you pointed out, Hispanic immigrants are the Democrats' "majority maker" for the next hundred years. They replenish the ranks and REPLACE all of those millions of babies of the Left lost to abortion. If there is ONE issue on which the Democratic Senate will use the nuclear option, it is in ensuring that amnesty-by-another-name gets through the Senate. Bush will sign it.
So yes, there will be 12 million more votes. And more to come therefrom.
The only thing we can still control is whether or not that 12 million become DEMOCRATS. Right now, they certainly will. There is no doubt about it. The Republican party stands (at least some in the party stand) against them being here in the first place, and have worked to try and unravel much of the social safety net on which poor people, like blacks and Hispanics, depend. So, OF COURSE they're going to vote Democratic, en masse, unless Republicans do something to capture a significant part of this voter base.
It is not hopeless, but it requires a gut check.
Republicans cannot have ANY of their agenda if they don't hold power, and with Democrars slated to give amnesty, the anti-immigration fight is lost now. We had our shot, we didn't take it, we're never going to have those numbers again, because Hispanic immigrants are going to tilt the tide more and more in favor of Democrats.
So, we have to make peace with reality. Stopping Hispanic immigration, MASSIVE Hispanic immigration, isn't going to happen. Stopping amnesty isn't going to happen. We don't have the power. The President wants it.
In the face of that politcal reality, we need to figure out how to get a big chunk of Hispanic voters.
Pro-family, pro-life organization is the way.
Stop trying to block them - we can't.
Welcome them. Promise to secure the social safety net. And campaign with the church to organize Hispanics on pro-life lines. That will get many many of them on our side and turn the loss on the issue into a gain for the future,. It;'s the only way.
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
And unfortunately this was a known strategy of effecting regime change by AQ for the past few years and was known by many in this country and the public selectively ignored by the masses while voting at the election booths on Tues!
With effecting regime change as their strategy, and successfully doing so, they do in effect have the world under their control.
I fear that with the ditsy sleepy headed liberals in control of this country the collective citezenry will again fall asleep and return to their dozy pre 9/11 existence.
Apparently the enemy has eternal patience to strike. We, on the other hand, have become tired of the war game and want to put down our toys and go home to the world before 9/11.
Ping to read later
Well, if this issue were SO important, why didn't the GOP campaign on this issue.
It never came up. Never.
So quit blaming the voters because the GOP's campaigns sucked.
Can we please stop this charade that this election was somehow about Repubs being "too far left"?
It was about Iraq. Period.
It was Iraq, because they had nothing else to run on. If they had successes that could have offset Iraq, we would have won. The fact is, we have blown it on everything.
You're nuts. Milton Friedman said our system cannot sustain these numbers of illegals while we have a welfare state.
Last I looked, Pryce won.
They lost because they had a "R" behind their names, not because they were moderates.
The party did not purge them, the voters in their districts did because they were vulnerable.
If you note, the most conservative members were also purged, as you call it...
This was a referendum on republican leadership and direction, and to suggest that more of the same is the answer, is at best foolish, and really stupid IMO....
Attacking the moderates in the party did contribute to the losses, and to expect any other result is political idiocy...
It's going to be interesting to watch as conservatives flail about, trying to ignore the reality of what happened. I doubt they will figure it out for some time, and in 08 will dig the hole even deeper.
Damn shame....I worked most of my politically aware life to put republicans in charge, and what I got was a right wing attack on the structure of the party, and it resulted in a complete rout at the polls.
Damn shame....
They're not mutually exclusive. The campaigns were comatose on this and the conservatives who didn't vote are stupid. The fact is every intelligent conservative should be aware of the significance of the Supreme Court. They shouldn't need it to be explained to them. It's possible the people who didn't campaign on that thought everyone in the base understood it (which is wrong). I can blame the campaigns and the conservatives who didn't vote.
I would love it for some conservative to come out and say it but it will never happen: The majority of people who voted this week were just too stupid to know what is right for America! Of course now *I* sound like the elitist. Two years ago we were the ones called stupid, closed minded, and extremist for supporting GWB. We didnt like the criticism then, so I am hesitant to insult people now.
However, since '04 we have had 2 more years to see the threat we face, and the need to remain united as a nation against this common enemy. For millions of voters to send a signal to the terrorists that we are divided was not very wise, IMHO. One of the biggest failures of the GOP though was to campaign on the WOT, the successes in Iraq, and the need to remain strong and united. Maybe they did this in some districts and states but I did not see it in this area. I also think they dropped the ball by not talking more about the extreme leftism of the Democrate leadership in the House and Senate. Just maybe if they had run a slightly better campaign they could have saved a few seats.
It may not be in a conservatives best interest to vote against the Republicans; however, ...
If you push someone -- anyone -- too far, they may forget just what exactly is in their own best interests when they take action.
Every GOP Presidential ticket since 1976 has had a Bush or a Dole on it.
It's time to change that.
Or perhaps if we somehow convince those conservative dems, newly elected, to join us in getting rid of the welfare states, then all these welfare-suckers will go back to their native countries.
Oh, who am I kidding...
It's good to see so many RINOs have been trimmed away.
Amen.
It's amazing that, with all of the negative consequences that will result from losing, that the Republican party was so willing to court a loss by keeping all of it's negative baggage.
It's almost as if the Republican leadership wanted to lose.
Damn shame....I worked most of my politically aware life to put republicans in charge, and what I got was a right wing attack on the structure of the party, and it resulted in a complete rout at the polls.
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Looks like someone has forgotten that the Republicans are supposed to BE the right-wing of politics...
It's not clear that he lost- votes are still being counted. The race was called by the media, not by any qualified authority.
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Thank you ..This need to kep being repeated.
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