Stan Jones, the Losertarian running in Montana didn't even know which office he was running for.
He was on the ballot as a candidate for senator (to drastically reduce state government) but his campaign Web site said he was running for governor and he said that he would pardon anyone convicted under laws he considered unjust.
And a conservative third-party candidate running on a pro-trains platform cost Allen the election in VA.
You're a fan of the Economist now? LOL
Phoey. I don't buy it. This is like blaming someone else in the race for being faster. Maybe if the Republicans were what they say they are, it wouldn't have been a problem.
This next 2 years will be living he!!.
The Greens though almost gave Allen a win in Virginia. I think the Green candidate pulled about 26,000 votes. It works both ways. The Greens had to live with helping Bush beat Gore in Florida in 2000. The Libertarians have to live with helping the Dems capture the Senate.
So what are we seeking to do now?
Blame others for engineering our loss, like the Democrats mewled and puked about Ralph Nader?
NEWSFLASH!: People who are not Republicans, like, say, registered Liberatarians, or Independents (registered or unregistered) don't owe us Republicans ONE DAMNED THING.
They have not joined us. They do not belong to us. We have no right to expect their vote. We have, in fact, no right to expect anything other than that, as members of opposing parties (or individual opponents) they will try to undermine and defeat us. That is their RIGHT.
If we want to win, we have to PERSUADE them that we're the better option. We failed to do that last night, completely. That's why we lost. If we don't persuade them next time, we'll lose again. And we'll keep repeating the lesson of getting ourselves "Thumped" (to use a Bushism) until we DO learn it.
Conservatives are the Republican core, but they are by no means enough to win Congress or the White House. The margin of victory lies in persuading others - people who are NOT registered Republicans - people who are suspicious of us, our party and our agenda - to come out and vote for us anyway, perhaps as the lesser of two evils, perhaps because we actually manage to inspire them to trust us.
Either way, it is pathetic of us to spend one moment whining, crying, mewling and puking about people who are A DIFFERENT PARTY "stabbing us in the back". they didn't stab us in the back; they stabbed us in the chest, in a sword fight, which they had the RIGHT to fight, because they're NOT Republicans and they owe us NOTHING.
To win, we have to persuade them not to fight us.
Just like the Dems had to persuade the Greens to come home.
Another whiner thread about Libertarians. The GOP created their own destruction.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
If ANY candidate needs Losertarian or Greenhorn Party support to win, they deserve to lose.
Al Gore lost Florida because of Ralph Nader and a bunch of confused Palm Beach County Jewish voters who punched Pat Buchanan's name.
But if Al Gore had carried his own home state, he would have won anyway. So the Greenies and Clueless Jews shouldn't be blamed for the Robot's rejection by the Volunteer State.
Talent and Burns were the incumbents. If the Losertarian candidates had not been on the ballot, who knows what those dope-smokers would have done.
Republicans should not be going on a witchhunt for Losertarians, the MSM, talk show hosts, Ouija Boards or Voodoo Dolls as blame targets for this disaster.
Just look in the mirror. A Party with no real platform, no ideas, and led by a sorry bunch of old tired farts like Kennedy and Sheets and Searchlight and Mikulski just kicked our butts.
It's like blaming Ears for the 1992 disaster. Fact is that an incumbent President who had a 90% approval ratings after waxing Saddam in six weeks couldn't reach 40% on Election Day. GHWB wiped out that Harvard Twit in 1988 by pledging no new taxes and he folded two years later. That's on him (although I still think those that voted for Perot blew it).
GWB accepted the blame. He may have lost and he may be attacked for two years by bitter Republicans and Conservatives, but he did man up. The only Clinton who would ever "man up" wears a crusty pantsuit.
Nope. There were a couple thousand write-in votes but that was well below the margin that Webb currently holds. It almost broke the other way...the Green candidate pulled over 26,000 votes. Since you can reasonably assume that most of those would've been Webb votes had she not been on the ballot, if the Green hadn't run, Webb would have taken Virginia by a full percentage point or more instead of the .31% (7400 votes) he's currently leading by, and this race would be over.
Libertarians had an impact in Missouri and Montana, but not in Virginia.
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Without these political terrorists we would be looking at 52-48 tonight.
Will someone tell me why conservatives would vote for a libertarian since they are for open borders?
Why do people think Libertarians would ever vote Republican? They are anti-war, anti-defence and pro-drug. They are not wayward Republican voters. They are not Republican voters at all.
He cost us the GOP candidate.
I remember having a discussion with some libertarian when Dubya was running those ads equating drug use with helping terrorists and getting flamed royally because I supported them. Now, I was in about 90 percent agreement with his views but he was ticked because I thought we should do what we can to minimize recreational drug use.
There are just some groups that there is no point in trying to deal with. I guess the thing to do is to always make sure there is a Green candidate on the ballot to balance them out.
God bless, Ralph Nader.
libertarians continue to be irrelevent.
If libertarians were relevant their pot initiatives would have all passed.
Or would that be too much to ask?
Willie Green???
The libertarians are long on ideology, short on pragmaticism.
