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Abandoning Iraq (1. Declare victory: 2. Cut; 3. Run)
RealClearPolitics ^ | November 8, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 11/08/2006 10:30:21 AM PST by quidnunc

Regardless of its final composition, and regardless of other pressing issues or its mandate, the leading item of business for the new U.S. Congress will be Iraq.

It didn't matter who won control of each house — the fix was already in. Look at the composition of the Baker-Hamilton commission, which the outgoing Congress had already appointed to "find a way out of Iraq" — a bipartisan commission, representing the foreign-policy opponents of President Bush in both the Republican and Democratic parties. Soon it will formally report.

James Baker, secretary of state under President Bush's father, was the man who, in 1989, secured an American exit from Lebanon by effectively surrendering the country to Assad's Syria. Lee Hamilton, former Democrat chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, joined him in stacking the Commission's study groups with men and women representing the pre-9/11 foreign policy consensus, which could be summarized in the phrase, "stability through disengagement". On the Baker-Hamilton plan, Congress will take the war in Iraq out of President Bush's hands, as Congress took the Vietnam War out of President Nixon's. Iraq will then be delivered into the hands of Iran's ayatollahs.

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To: Echo Talon
As long as we are looking to blame , we would still be controlling the Senate if it wasn`t for the biggest fools of all, the Libertarians. In Montana, for example, the goofy Libers got 10,000 votes, Burns lost by around 1,700. Hope they got what they wanted!
21 posted on 11/08/2006 10:48:44 AM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Youngman442002
No I think San Francisco....

Al-Quaeda likes to strike more than 1 target at the same time so probably NY, VA(Norfolk) FL, possibly MA

22 posted on 11/08/2006 10:49:50 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: the invisib1e hand

I need to buy some weapons and ammo soon!


23 posted on 11/08/2006 10:49:55 AM PST by Edgerunner (If you don't want our soldiers to fight, then you will have to fight.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; SFGI
I'm not so sure we're going to skedaddle out of Iraq after all.

We can't. Not after all that's been achieved. We can't pull out now. We cannot do that to our armed forces and our allies who have worked so hard, sacrificaed so much and come such a long way here.

We can't leave them high and dry now!

24 posted on 11/08/2006 10:50:01 AM PST by Allegra (Help! I'm "Stuck in Iraq!" I KNEW I Should Have Studied Harder....)
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To: quidnunc

excellent article. the loss is in. the nation needs a tall standing order of body bags UNLESS the rats step up to the plate and LEVEL Syria and Iran. And that aint gonna happen!
America will only respond after the second order or third order of bags.

That is the problem and solution to the bulk of the recurring mideast issues, now western issues. One mouthpiece is about to hang, but the intermeddlers are busy sitting at home snickering. Their military arms are ramping up. Supplies and ideas are flowing. They too have just declared VICTORY and that will empower them. America just got run out of town, her tail between her legs - "look at the DOG run home!". And their nuts will drag even lower, more brazen than ever. LOOK OUT!

now its full steam ahead, Expect an assault on Israel, and a sell out within 3 mo.

remember, what Israel gets is what europe and the G8 get.

fright night has just begun


25 posted on 11/08/2006 10:50:02 AM PST by himno hero
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To: quidnunc
I posted a similar thread as per my take on the situation.I served in the US Army infantry from 72-78,and the sense of Deja-Vu is overwhelming.I hope and pray that history does not repeat itself.Muslims do self flagellation on themselves with whips.It seems we Americans do it at the polls.
26 posted on 11/08/2006 10:50:47 AM PST by xarmydog
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To: bybybill

I don't understand why they are allowed here(at FR) to spread their BS.


27 posted on 11/08/2006 10:50:50 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: paratrooper82
WRONG! Liberals will 1. RUN, 2. cut funding, and give it to their supporters, then 3. Blame America for starting the war in Iraq, and for its failures all over the world, and for creating terror!

4. Seek to free Saddam Hussein and reinstate him as the unanimously elected leader of Iraq!

28 posted on 11/08/2006 10:51:22 AM PST by Anti-MSM
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To: Salvation; Lazamataz
"It's Pelosi's failt."

Well, I guess that is a combination of failure and fault. Unfortunately, this is not exactly a RYMB moment. However, there is a high stock market, a low unemployment rate, low interest rates, lower gas prices, and the lack of a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11. It sets the stage for blame should things not go well in the future. We will have a new four letter designator, and it will be PYMB. Pelosi you malingering boob. (A mild descriptor, because other harsher things can be substituted.)

29 posted on 11/08/2006 10:52:38 AM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: rllngrk33

Hamas just renegged its truce with Israel. You think it will take that long?


30 posted on 11/08/2006 10:53:21 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: rllngrk33

That's absurd - where America is concerned, the terroists care about killing infidels. Period. They are inherently irrational and care little for our political parties.

They struck under Clinton, they struck under Bush.

Give me one reason why terrorists would be more likely to strike now, as opposed to if we kept congress.


31 posted on 11/08/2006 10:53:25 AM PST by Loyolas Mattman
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To: Allegra
No need to tell me. I fear what's coming, but I really believe the Democrats used Iraq simply for political gain, and not so much from true conviction. There will be movement to withdraw to be sure, but I think the MSM will start reporting the kinds of things you see every day, and say "gee, things are so much better not that Bush listens to the left", and the pressure to pull out will be reduced.
32 posted on 11/08/2006 10:54:14 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: redgolum
Amazing incompetent terrorists who cross the border and pull not attacks

BTW, do you Border crowd realize you all JUST fired the ONLY people in DC who stood tall on Border Security? Forget getting anyone to take you all seriously ever on this issue in DC ever again.

Message in DC today is "stand tough on Immigration=Get fired". Way to rip you tounge out to send your brain a message.
33 posted on 11/08/2006 10:57:03 AM PST by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party: Hard on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism!)
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To: Loyolas Mattman
Give me one reason why terrorists would be more likely to strike now, as opposed to if we kept congress.

If the Dems manage to overturn the Patriot Act it won't be a matter of the terrorists being "more likely to strike now", it will be a matter of "being able to strike now".

34 posted on 11/08/2006 10:57:44 AM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: rllngrk33

6 months from now would be less than 4 months into a Democratic Congress. What could Congress do in 4 months that would put us at risk, especially since we still control the CIA, FBI, NSA, and Homeland Security Department and since funding for 2007 has already been budgeted? That's like saying Republicans were responsible for 9-11 since they were in office for 9 months prior to 9-11.


35 posted on 11/08/2006 10:59:14 AM PST by brewerbill
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To: SFGI

SFGI, I think the media and the dems are smarter than that. They are now looking to 08. They still need to make Bush seem as bad as possible to setup a run for Hillary. The President usually gets blame/credit for anything the congress does, so I am sure they will try to screw Bush more.

There is no responsiblity in the Congress, only in the Presidency. Let's just hope Bush takes on the Congress and doesn't cave like he has been on so many conservative issues.

As far as the war goes, he needs to take it up a notch. The reason we are in this mess is we are trying to keep everyone happy. That's an impossible feat, so why attempt it.


36 posted on 11/08/2006 10:59:47 AM PST by newsjunkiepgh (I doubth the MSM will start changing their tune on current affairs.)
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To: quidnunc

Now that the terrorists have beat us at the ballot box, how long before they blow up a few more U.S. cities?


37 posted on 11/08/2006 11:00:11 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That was mor an impassioned plea than a "telling." ;-)

The gloom-and-doom posts I'm seeing here today are driving me crazy.

38 posted on 11/08/2006 11:01:12 AM PST by Allegra (Help! I'm "Stuck in Iraq!" I KNEW I Should Have Studied Harder....)
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To: redgolum

Then let me be Shirley.

I am positively giddy that Bush announced today that he plans to sit down with democrats and do immigration reform.

That is precisely the bitter medicine that the immigration crowd needs to be fed-- and the sooner the better.

This is YOUR congress.


39 posted on 11/08/2006 11:01:43 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Chena

There was no Patriot Act from 1993-2001 and we didn't get hit then, either (OKC being a debatable exception).

We don't have enough information to know if we haven't gotten hit because of the Patriot Act, etc. or because it's AQ's m.o. to wait years between attacks if it suits them.

And based on the President's performance in today's presser, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.


40 posted on 11/08/2006 11:02:25 AM PST by Loyolas Mattman
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