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[ChessMan]

Yeah - I remember that from back in the day when you had that popping up at DU.

Well, now it's payback time. Time to take back this country from the party that had power and no idea how to use it - except for war, higher oil prices, and letting terrorists attack us at home.

Weak at every turn from immigration to...well just about everything. bush let you down, leaders were humiliated and had to leave, and family values leaders fell to adultery and meth.

Tonight was like shooting fish in a barrel. Iraq is a mess. You won the war in a few days and lost in a few years of hell.

[spunkets]

"Wow - rhetoric without addressing. Calling me names does nothing."

There was no rhetoric. I just made and stated my observaitons. You can now gloat and procede to ruin with your new leader pelosi.

[the808bass]

It is because the left sees people wanting to impose their own brand of faith on others, and having the power to do so, as scary. I doubt many here would want a pope-like person running this country and having the power to make law and enforce it.

And now we are approaching the reason for your epiphany, aren't we? First the epiphaino. Then the epitrepho. Then the anastarountas. It's how it always goes. (The participle's in the present to allow for you to change at any time, should a new epiphaino come around.)

[the808bass]

ID cards moving along, smart cards, RFID, and a variety of intrusions into private citizens privacy.

Gobbledegook. Unless you have an RFID tag implanted in your wrist, you're talking through your hat.

[LadyNavyVet]

You do realize that the first President to allow domestic wiretapping, by executive order, was Jimmy Carter? Perfectly legal and common since then as long as the call originated or ended overseas--same rule as Bush is using. But now it's a sin because it's the hated, evil, warmongering Bush doing it. Now it's a scandal. Jimmy Carter. Look it up.

[ChessMan]

Yeah, I stand by gays and their rights to be who they are. Not my business or yours.

My best friend is gay and a freeper. I am not sure what the right is so scared of in this regards. I stand up for the rights of smokers, and towns to have a christmas display - and I stand up for people to be gay and have a life without fear of being screwed over because of it.

We need to focus more on states' rights - not trying to hold down people who care for each other. Who cares if someone is gay really?

As I said earlier, God gave us a freedom to choose in life - Jesus was not telling people to create laws to force people to live a certain way. He did not try to make the Roman Empire pass laws about how people lived - the goal was one to one preaching and converting. It was up to you.

When we limit choice we fight against the very God so many say they follow. It is a personal thing, not a state thing.

Live YOUR life as you see fit, and let others do the same. We should have choices - from schools we want to attend to whom we want to have as a partner. That is real freedom.

[marsh_of_mists]

Can you be just a little more pessimistic, please? I'm not quite ready to slit my wrists yet.

Seriously, if the both parties are that bad, we might as well just build a shelter, load up on canned food and ammo and await the coming dark age, which I guess your militia folks have already done. But wouldn't you rather try to salvage to country instead of leap overboard?

In your original gloatful post you mention that the GOP shouldn't be supported, in part, for: "...higher oil prices, and letting terrorists attack us at home..."

So you think too believe that the Mighty Rove (ha!) keeps his oil price dial right next to his hurricane dial in his office, rather than it being a product of international politics, economic fluctuations, and domestic environmental and business regulations? And, as for the second point, is this to imply that Bush let 9/11 happen? Or was he just completely inept? Does Clinton bear any fault at all? Does Carter?

Are you sure you haven't just become another liberal Dem supporter listing talking points?

[blondee123]

YEP! He's more comfortable at DU where there are no more morals.

[ChessMan]

Um, ok - does that mean I agree with Carter?? Nope. Wrong is wrong.

I am not a dem bot - Carter was wrong. Period.

[Aikonaa]

It is because the left sees people wanting to impose their own brand of faith on others, and having the power to do so, as scary.

You seem to be missing the fact that the left has its own brand of faith to impose on society. Their faith is not religious but they are as messianic as religious conservatives at imposing their agenda on everyone. I hate busybodies over anything else and the left is swarming with them.

[ChessMan]

Morals are personal decisions. We cannot totally enforce them, witness the WOD (especially here on FR in the days).

There are general morals (against murder, rape, etc) and then there are your own personal morals, which I think should remain up to you as a person to decide.

[the808bass]

We need to focus more on states' rights - not trying to hold down people who care for each other.

Of course, the states are the ones passing the "Defense of Marriage" acts. And of course, those "defense of marriage" acts do not prevent homosexuals from having homosexual relationships in any way, shape or form. If you need a tax break or health benefits as an incentive to have a homosexual relationship, you may not really be gay.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Caryl Chessman was a career criminal who shortly after WWII raped a woman in California. He dragged her from her car and was therefore also convicted of kidnapping. Because of this exacerbation of the basic rape conviction he was sentenced to death. After 12 years on death row, he was executed, for rape, in California, in 1960. How times have changed.

[ChessMan]

I did not miss it - in fact I posted here that very thing, and I won't forget it either. I don't need anyone telling me how I MUST live and making it into a law.

To me the right has become too powerful and was in jeopardy of doing the very thing it fought against for so many years - taking away rights and infringing on the individuals' rights.

[JohnnyBrown]

I was also in your situation. You used to be able to have an intellectual discussion here. Thre traffic is way down because they want parrots to parrot the failed policies. The ineptness of the national party blew the race for good candidates like Santorum, Steele, and Ehrlich. If the RNc was smart they would have one of these people run the party, and they would dump the losers they have now.

[Howlin]

Let me go on record as saying I don't PERSONALLY remember that case.......but I have read about it..........LOL.

[1035rep]

The homo's need to quit making it my business.

[IIntense]

Taking a longer term view requires some intelligence and wisdom, and often, putting in enough years of experience to learn that. I'd equate it with "looking at the big picture".

While none of us has a crystal ball, it's damned smart to look at all the possible consequences before we decide anything.

As to choices, I may not be thrilled with the broccoli on the menu, but I'll choose it over the pig's feet.

The Democrat agenda for our country spells corruption of the very values which have earned it the right to be called "great". They are too misguided or stupid to realize that they are truly depriving generations to come of the blessings and freedom they have enjoyed.

In effect, they work to eliminate every bit of decency that so many have spent their lives trying to uphold and pass on to future generations.

War is always hell, yet we've engaged in them in the past because we had little or no choice.

Now we're up against a truly crazy enemy, the terrorists. From their own mouths, they want to kill us, they want to take over the world. How could anyone be so blind as to think that negotiation and diplomacy will have any effect on this kind of mentality?

As to Iraq, I have reason to believe that Saddam Hussein aided terrorists, and if we pull out now, all hell will break loose.

[blondee123]

You stated you used to be able to have an intellectual discussion here, when, for 4 (FOUR) days! That's how long you've been a member here!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I do remember it, since I was a high school junior when he got the gas! Big national story!

[ChessMan]

What business is it of ours if someone wants a relationship with someone? Marriage IS protected, no rights are to be lost to those wanting to do a traditional marriage. One should worry about themselves and their lives instead of someone else's relationship.

Freedom allows things we don't always agree with. Diversity is a part of the American way - which is why we have everything here from Baptists to Catholics to Atheists.