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To: FLOutdoorsman
Damn, after 20 years somebody has listened to what I've been saying all along. Go back 11,000 years, and drop the sea level 300', and the answers will all be there.

But first, demand that the east coast tribes turn over for inspection all of the "anomaly's" that have been found off the coast by treasure hunters in the last 100 years.

These items have been "repatriated" to eastern tribes and hidden away from view because they don't fit with the "conventional wisdom" and in some cases prove the "first peoples" claims to be downright false. (at least one case of a number of spear and knife points found that were of a higher quality than anything found on land, and may date back 8000 years do to the depth, and depth of sediment in which they were found)

One place to look for sure is the submerged forest off the coast of Nantucket, and a couple similar locations off the coasts of the Florida/Georgia border.

8 posted on 11/07/2006 1:44:48 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel; blam; SunkenCiv
"...at least one case of a number of spear and knife points found that were of a higher quality than anything found on land..."

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More than one case... As a member of the Massachusetts Archaeological Society, I had the opportunity to examine several large, beautifully-crafted bifaces that were made of what was called, "marine flint".

Some were supposedly dredged up well beyond the present MA shoreline. Others were found in situ with burials at "Wapanucket", a famous, and well-documented site near Middleborough, MA.

They were particularly striking, because most knapped ("flaked" or "chipped") stone artifacts in MA are so crudely made that the Texas Indians would have sneered at them. However, the crudeness was not due to lack of skill, but, rather, to the tough, grainy nature of the metamorphic materials that were all that was available for use. All of MA was heavily glaciated, and there is no exposed limestone -- which is the source of f1ne-grade, knappable silicates (chert or flint).

In such an area, those fine "marine flint" artifacts really do stand out as anomalies.

AFAIK, the source of that fine, glassy, "marine flint" remains a mystery...

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I agree with you; exploration of the ca 10-11,000 YBP shoreline should be very enlightening!

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(P.S. & FWIW, tomorrow, in my role as Texas Archeological Steward, I will be doing lectures on archeological methods and flintknapping demonstrations for one of our local schools...)

(Yes, Texas officially spells it, "archeology" -- no "æ" diphthong...)

29 posted on 11/07/2006 5:47:57 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: xcamel
One place to look for sure is the submerged forest off the coast of Nantucket...

I've even heard of these being sighted off the coast of NH... during exceptionally low-tides.

52 posted on 11/10/2006 4:28:42 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: xcamel

Wow, I hadn't realized that such "anomalies" in the coastal finds had been handed over to modern-day tribes. Given the way those five Indian tribes claimed to be heirs of that anomaly known as Kennewick Man, and thus demanded the remains, I can see how other groups want to cover up anything that doesn't fit traditional theory.

It's certainly a tragedy how Indians as a whole were massacred, abused, and herded onto reservations. Unfortunately, many folks tend to be ignorant or dismissive of their history... But this does not mean that their modern counterparts should be so anti-science and anti-research. It ultimately hurts their cause.


54 posted on 11/26/2006 9:41:29 PM PST by GOPlibertarian
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