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To: newzjunkey; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; Amerigomag
I can't believe all the bonds passed. OK, I can believe it. I don't want to believe it. I hate debt. We need Prop 90 (or something similar) passed to avoid Kelo abuses.

I can't believe that you can't believe it! Everytime anyone came on this forum to point out that ARNOLD and THE CA GOP were campaigning FOR debt and AGAINST property rights, we were called liars "DICCs" and most recently "pricks." Every time anyone pointed out the lack of support for the downticket, or the damaging slurs invoked against them by the governor, they were drowned out by a posse of out of state cheerleaders. Without any opposition from the right, how do you think a non-restrained government will operate? How do you think a governor will perform who has proposed record spending increases and the largest debt in history? Just wait for the fascist "public private partnerships" to kick in--the State of California will not be recognizable. Just things to think about, NJ. Perhaps you should stop looking at conservatives as the enemy if you believe any of what you posted above.

I guess I should cheer up. It could be worse, right?

Oh, yeah. Cheer up! You "won" with the governorship. It's all yours! Own it and Enjoy!

354 posted on 11/08/2006 1:47:01 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Like I said, liberals in BOTH parties love spending but balk at budget cuts or raising taxes. No Democrat is going to push another tax increase after the shellacking Angelides received. Oh every one will borrow, which we know is a HIDDEN tax increase, but its free money, right? Enjoy today, pay tomorrow!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

358 posted on 11/08/2006 1:50:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
I did not think the election cycle was the appropriate time to attack Arnold in the manner that was happening around here because I believed, perhaps naively, in coat-tails and that harming Arnold would also harm the rest of the ticket.

With his reelection behind us, we must demand restrained spending and a return to reform.

I took issue with those "conservatives" who served only as relentless critics, refused to unify behind the slate, including Arnold.

An Arnold win is, really, a win for no one but Arnold. We didn't get McClintock, or Strickland. We got no Kelo measure, no parental notification and more debt than I can imagine.

I joined McClintock in support of 1A and 1E but not the rest. What ads I was exposed to would highlight road construction benefits and express it as being so benign "pay over time without raising taxes" while never mentioning any of the other proposal specifics.

Too optimistic about the wisdom of the voters, I was not afraid of Arnold putting such a package before the electorate. I thought, however, there would have been some meaningful public debate or opposition. That didn't seem to have materialized and now here we are with $40,000,000,000 in new corrosive debt.

I've much cast off my election-cycle blinders and will of course join reasoned criticism of Arnold's policies and practices not unlike I have regarding Bush.

Perhaps I was too subtle for you at this late hour when I said I should cheer up. It was sarcasm because, frankly, I'm aghast he'll be taking on health care reform in what was described as the same way he tackled global warming.

I do think he's gotten too little credit when he does something right. It's clear he's a populist rather than an ideologue and such populism is fraught with problems because an electorate can be fickle and manipulated.

It's nearly time for me to move and I will most seriously cast my eyes towards leaving CA. I had before said this election would be make-or-break for me. I've grown weary of the growing tyranny of our urban centers, especially L.A. and SF which are hopelessly lost causes.

369 posted on 11/08/2006 2:27:57 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: calcowgirl
... we were called liars "DICCs" and most recently "pricks." ...

Well deserved, too. The ilk found the way to neutralize conservative gain. If the ilk had spent a tenth the time criticizing demonrats instead of republicans they wouldn't have been such a caricature driving people away from the right.

Now the herd will continue to divide the right so they can't rebuild. Phony conservatives are enemy stooges.

388 posted on 11/08/2006 7:24:24 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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