CA: Schwarzenegger comes out against Proposition 90 (Eminent Domain)

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Carla Marinucci

[kingu]

Arnold is yet again wrong, yet right.. The Governor can take comfort in that once Prop 90 passes, he can finally start unloading the property that the state has taken over the years, at reasonable prices, to the previous owners.

[calcowgirl]

Sigh...

[ElkGroveDan]

Who is surprised?

But that's more ammo for when we purge him and his ilk from our state party next year.

[Redcloak]

Vote "Yes" on Aaaahnold. Vote "Yes" on 90.

[calcowgirl]

The Governor can take comfort in that once Prop 90 passes, he can finally start unloading the property that the state has taken over the years, at reasonable prices, to the previous owners.

I don't understand what you mean. Prop 90 has no retroactivy so how would that affect property currently owned by the state?

[The Blitherer]

Arnold is yet again wrong, yet right

For me, he and McCain are one and the same. I never know when they're gonna do the absolute right thing, or when they're gonna go leftie on us.

[The Blitherer]

But that's more ammo for when we purge him and his ilk from our state party next year.

We are? I don't particularly like Arnold, but don't you think he's the best shot we have at a "conservative" governor in CA?

[CardShark]

It's of course not surprising he took a position opposite conservative groups because he's not a conservative.

[kingu]

Ahh, sorry, I though that it counted for future sales of seized property decided as being surplus and not used for the original project. A shame that wasn't included, if that is the case.

[Shermy]

How about no fancy laws.

Just one that says "Eminent Domain shall not be used for the benefit of private parties"

Simple. Neat. Special interests see something good, they sabotage it by asking for too much.

In Florida IIRC the amendment up for vote sounds great until you read that the legislature can override it for specific projects with 60% of the vote. IOW, a trick to raise more dough from developers and related lobbyists.

[kingu]

For me, he and McCain are one and the same. I never know when they're gonna do the absolute right thing, or when they're gonna go leftie on us.

Take a poll, you'll likely get the right answer most of the time. Least he holds back the legislature, if only slightly. Anyone who votes for a Democrat to go to Sacramento should automatically be assigned an extra thousand dollars in tax for stupidity.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

I am not enamored of the "regulatory taking" clause, as it suggests a new method for land speculators to guarantee themselves a profit: if they discover that their speculation was wrong, they can use a front group to lobby for a change in zoning or other regulation affecting the value of their land, whereupon the government (a) restricts the availablity of land through regulatory taking and (b) is forced to give the backers of that regulatory taking a big payoff.

In other words, you still have the problem, but you've also guaranteed a steady flow of government monies to certain well-connected parties' pockets...

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

But that's more ammo for when we purge him and his ilk from our state party next year.

Because 30% of the vote is entirely too much.

[saganite]

Well, there you go. If anyone had any doubts about Arnie this should settle it. RINO!

[ElkGroveDan]

I don't particularly like Arnold, but don't you think he's the best shot we have at a "conservative" governor in CA?

No.

I'm a Republican because I think the values of the Democrat Party are BAD for California. Candidates that support those values are BAD for California. He's not the "best" anything.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Well... isn't that speeeeecial.

[The Blitherer]

I'm a Republican because I think the values of the Democrat Party are BAD for California. Candidates that support those values are BAD for California. He's not the "best" anything.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm only saying that because California is such a bastion of liberalism, I just don't think its possible to get anyone into the Governers office who's more conservative than Arnold. I'm not happy about it, but I can't see any true conservative getting elected here.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

I have a serious question: is Proposition 90 a litmus test for conservatism, or might there be a reasonable conservative argument against it?

[calcowgirl]

Arnie said:

I have carefully analyzed this measure. . .

In Oregon, where a similar measure was passed in 2004, more than 2,600 claims have been filed seeking more than $6 billion in compensation. Many of these claims are unfounded and from speculators simply looking to cash in on the public's dime.

He obviously didn't study it very hard. Oregon's measure allowed existing environmental rules and government restrictions on the use of land to be overturned. California's does NOT.