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NYT- Religion Not Source of 'Moral Codes'
NewsBusters.org ^ | 10/31/06 | warner todd huston

Posted on 10/31/2006 6:13:36 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus

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God is dead they say? How many times has THAT been declared??
1 posted on 10/31/2006 6:13:38 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Liberals hate God-Talk. To them the ultimate focus of worship is Man.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

2 posted on 10/31/2006 6:15:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Both atheists and people belonging to a wide range of faiths make the same moral judgments.

This is so obviously untrue.

3 posted on 10/31/2006 6:19:01 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Then this mouthpiece for the Democrat Party wonders why Christians don't believe the charade that liberal Democrats have the same values as Christians.


4 posted on 10/31/2006 6:29:21 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Dr. Hauser is a blithering idiot. It is quite clear from our fairly recently experiences with the Khmer Rouge or Muslims or inner-city gangs that there is no moral code built into humans.

I advise the New York Times to re-read its own historical record on the subject of human morality and then take a gander at Arthur Allen Leff's essays on the subject.


5 posted on 10/31/2006 6:30:38 AM PST by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
What follows is several slaps at religion, the Times asserting that religion has nothing to do with morals short of serving as "social enforcers of instinctive moral behavior".

It's not as if the Catholic Church has ever taught that the law of God is written in our inmost hearts and consciences or that there is a natural law. No, that would stand in the way of the liberals' one dimensional religious straw demon.

6 posted on 10/31/2006 6:36:48 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: goldstategop
To them the ultimate focus of worship is Man.

Close but I think it should read either 'worship liberals' or 'worship government'.

7 posted on 10/31/2006 6:37:23 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Newsbusters, gotta love 'em.

It's not the first time the left has shot itself in the foot trying to bash religion or faith and I'm sure it won't be the last. Any reader critically reading the article would come to the same conclusions that Newsbusters has, lol.

I guess the left is trying to say that atheists are good people too and that they have morals too (even if no one knows what they are) and that religion is "irrelevant in this modern, scientific world." Same old blah, blah, blah. The left should really find themselves some fresh material.
8 posted on 10/31/2006 6:37:28 AM PST by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

bump


9 posted on 10/31/2006 6:42:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: Mobile Vulgus; All
FYI..the same day that the story game out about the huge declines in newspaper readership, especially the NY Times, in my copy of today's paper at my doorstep this morning was a notice announcing that they were INCREASING the cost of monthly home delivery..Yup..that's a sure fire strategy for success....
10 posted on 10/31/2006 6:43:57 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Mobile Vulgus
You might want to check out the current issue of WIRED magazine. The cover article is about "The New Atheists" who emphatically and enthusiastically* reject any connection with any type of religious ideas. Not sure how the two groups will get along as I haven't really digested either article completely yet. (Lousy food isn't digested easily.)

Of course none of them would consider reading Romans 1:18 and following.

*Just remembered that the root of "enthusiasm" means "in God" (as in ecstatically entranced).

11 posted on 10/31/2006 6:44:00 AM PST by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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Imagine the surprise that people at the Times will experience when Jesus Christ returns.

14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. - Jude 1:14-19

Sounds kinda like God is the judge of what is moral. He will not accept the twisted morality of the depraved as truth.

12 posted on 10/31/2006 6:50:12 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: Mobile Vulgus

This is by no means a new theory. See for example Lawrence Kohlberg, Abe Maslow and numerous others.


13 posted on 10/31/2006 6:54:00 AM PST by joylyn
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Conservatives believe in GOD

NY liberal Slimes believes they are God !


14 posted on 10/31/2006 6:55:46 AM PST by Veeram (why the does the left HATE America ?)
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Both atheists and people belonging to a wide range of faiths make the same moral judgments.

Yeah, here is the religion of peace making one of their moral judgements....


15 posted on 10/31/2006 6:59:47 AM PST by Always Right
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Later Moral Absolutes pingout.


16 posted on 10/31/2006 7:05:21 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Anyone who gets their religious and/or moral instruction from the NY Times has already received their reward.


17 posted on 10/31/2006 7:07:02 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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"I guess the left is trying to say that atheists are good people too and that they have morals too (even if no one knows what they are)"

Well, I don't believe you should do violence to other people or their property. That's one moral this atheist has. I also believe discarding rationality for superstition is immoral. You can freepmail me if you want more.


18 posted on 10/31/2006 7:09:33 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

So, the NYT is saying that, for example, revulsion at homosexual acts is normal, hereditary and instinctual?


19 posted on 10/31/2006 7:11:18 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
There are so many areas like this in which the spirit of antichrist finds itself in a hopeless logical quandary. Its only remedy is to ignore, stifle, or intimidate the rational discourse which would otherwise thoroughly expose its self-destructive flaws. A couple of examples:

MORALITY:

Either some basic standard of morality is programmed into innate human consciousness, or it is not.

If it is not, then morality is relative -- and therefore there can be no absolute standards of right and wrong. But this would prevent "moral outrage" at crime and antisocial behavior, and what would the godless then do with their indignation against "intolerance" or their other cardinal sins? Also, how will they persuade people to believe that men do not know within themselves that it is inherently wrong to do murder?

If it is, then there are absolute standards of right and wrong, and the essential premise of natural law is established. These standards must have come from somewhere outside ourselves, and thus a key premise of theology is established as well.

But either one of these conclusions will destroy the foundations of godless modern liberalism.

HOMOSEXUALITY:

Either a bias toward homosexual behavior is innate in some humans, or it is not.

If it is, then this bias can be diagnosed, evaluated, and treated as a disease, similar to other abnormal predispositions -- e.g., toward drunkenness (which we call alcoholism) or toward theft (kleptomania).

If it is not, then homosexual behavior results from some combination of choice and environment. If this is the case, then choices can be reversed and environmental factors (e.g., childhood abuse) can be compensated for. And thus homosexuality can be unlearned and abandoned.

But either one of these conclusions will destroy the blind religion of homosexuality.

Rom 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

20 posted on 10/31/2006 8:27:10 AM PST by AB AB AB (Dan Rather: "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.")
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