Wow. These are some amazing "flowers" that they are making up to throw at the PFP.
Posted on 10/29/2006 9:29:59 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
When the cops are done down there, send them to Detroit.
Fox has been a real disappointment, but this squabble is between leftists - the PRI (governorship of Oaxaca), which is the old left, similar to the Democrat Party, and the followers of AMLO (radical Marxist/anarchists, similar to the groups now taking over the Dem Party). Fox obviously held off because he thought he would be accused of stomping the left if he sent federal forces into Oaxaca, although personally, I think he held off way too long.
While the PAN government has not been spotless, it has been better and some economic reforms and privatization have been carried out. It's a cumulative process and Fox was not a very brilliant or charismatic leader, and in fact is somewhat of a flake in his personal life, even to the extent that his personal dramas (with his girlfriend, for example) impeded his ability to govern. Hopefully, Calderón will do better. He seems more intelligent and more stable than Fox, and I think that's one of the reasons the radical left is so desperately trying to keep him out of power.
That is one disturbing theory. What would we do if they all showed up at the border?
Yes, that's an idea...
It's not like we don't have such an element here. I was thinking about how the international left watches and learns from each other, btw, and I wonder if the US left is not going to try something like that here at some point. That is, if the GOP wins the next presidential election, they will definitely try to challenge it, even to the extent of creating riots in places where there are sufficient dumb, thuggish left-wing client groups (such as Detroit).
Great links!
Building a fence won't do it. After all they'll be Refugee's fleeing a repressive regime, donchaknow.
Let's all meet at Mi Tierra's in San Antonio. We'll eat Tex-Mex (Highly edible and better than Mexican cuisine) and we can sing along and learn a few songs from the mariachi's so we will be ready for Joe's "anschluss" of the New Norte Americano Federacion.
Is this a plan?, or what!
Mexican police advance into Oaxaca
OAXACA, Mexico - Federal police with assault rifles and riot-shields advanced into Oaxaca on Sunday, extinguishing a barricade of burning tires and tree trunks in this normally picturesque tourist destination wracked by five months of violent protests.
Officers in bulky black helmets lined a highway just shy of a sign reading "Welcome to Oaxaca" and used fire extinguishers to douse flames at a roadblock abandoned by retreating demonstrators.
Flanked by armored vehicles, water-cannon and bulldozers and with helicopters roaring overhead, they faced a knot of protesters who yelled insults and readied piles of stones to hurl.
What began in late May as a teacher's strike in this colonial southern Mexican city spiraled into chaos as anarchists, students and Indian groups seized the central plaza and barricaded streets throughout the city to demand the ouster of Oaxaca state Gov. Ulises Ruiz. Police and state forces — often in plainclothes — have shot at protesters, setting off clashes in which at least eight people have died.
President Vicente Fox, who leaves office Dec. 1, resisted repeated calls to send federal forces to Oaxaca until Saturday, a day after gunfire killed a U.S. activist-journalist and two residents.
Protesters abandoned some barricades but fortified others, promising a street-by-street defense against the Federal Preventative Police. But Bertha Munoz, one of the movement's leaders, said that many demonstrators were peaceful.
"How can we confront them? We have already seen the R-15 (rifles) and AK-47s they carry," she said. "What do our people have? Most have just come to bring them flowers."
The Interior Department issued an ominous statement demanding that protesters give up their occupation of the city immediately, but officials said Sunday they hoped negotiations could avoid further bloodshed and hinted that police would hold off a major advance until Monday.
Protesters accused Ruiz of rigging his 2004 election and using thugs to kill or intimidate political opponents. They say they will not return home without his resignation.
The government news agency Notimex reported that a vehicle transporting federal police to Oaxaca crashed Sunday, killing one officer and injuring 12. Federal officials could not confirm the report, but protesters cheered wildly as it circulated Oaxaca.
The protesters estimated that around 4,000 federal police had taken up positions around the edges of the city. There were no official reports, however, on how many officers were sent to Oaxaca, which is the capital of the state of the same name.
Demonstrators have occupied the city's leafy central plaza since the start of the teacher's strike, setting up a sprawling tent city and covering historic buildings with graffiti. Surrounding streets were mainly deserted Sunday, and just one restaurant was open. A small group of residents and tourists sat eating and chatting quietly inside.
Late Saturday, protesters gathered to mourn Bradley Roland Will, a 36-year-old from New York who was killed during a shootout between protesters and men they claim were local officials in Santa Lucia del Camino on Oaxaca's outskirts.
Will, whose body was laid out in a white shirt and a glass-topped coffin at a funeral parlor near the square, was remembered as a video and documentary-maker devoted to the protesters' cause.
A video posted by Indymedia.org showed the last minutes of footage Will shot Friday, apparently including the moment he was hit by gunfire.
In a statement, Will's family said it was "grieving over the tragic and senseless loss of Brad's life."
"Brad's friends and family admired his brave support for the downtrodden and willingness to act tirelessly upon his convictions. We believe he died doing what he loved," it said.
U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza said those who shot Will may have been Oaxaca police and Mayor Manuel Martinez Feria of Santa Lucia del Camino said five men seen brandishing pistols at the time of the shooting had been turned over to authorities. He identified them as two members of Santa Lucia's city council, two of that town's police officers and a former justice of the peace from another town.
The tense weekend standoff comes after teachers agreed to return to work by Monday; their strike has kept 1.3 million children out of classes across the southern state. It was unclear if police presence would undermine that agreement.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061029/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_oaxaca_unrest
SM- Can the title be changed to reflect police action is now underway?
Wow, thank you, this is important. Do you think you should start another thread on it?
I almost went to Oaxaca last year for a conference on the Baroque organ (apparently there is a church there with a fine Spanish Baroque organ). I'm sorry that I had to cancel at the last moment. God only knows what a shambles will be left with all this is over.
Wow. These are some amazing "flowers" that they are making up to throw at the PFP.
Nobody else seems to think that the Mexican Federal Police moving into the Oaxaca state capitol with weapons is a very big deal. So far there are only 6 dead Mexicans and 1 dead American Marxist-journalist. When the floods of refugees pour in, and we send CIA military and economic advisers, CNN and FOX will be right on this.
Not.
No NO! They really drink that stuff! Where do you think the line , "And a breath that smell like kerosine," in the Willie Nelson song Lefty and Willie, comes from. Geez you guys see a bottle with some Gasoline and a rag as a cork and you assume it's not for drinking. Mondo paranoia???
Sadly, you're right. Nobody is going to take it seriously until it directly impacts the US. Someone on another thread suggested that this is because it is leftists against leftists, and the US press luvs its little lefties so much it would never do anything to put them in a bad light. I guess that's possible; otherwise, I'm really puzzled as to why a major armed political disturbance in a neighboring country isn't a bigger deal. I wonder if it would get more coverage if it were happening in Canada?
Site for story of October 2, 1968: Mexican Army kills students
http://fcis.oise.utoronto.ca/%7Edaniel_schugurensky/assignment1/1968mexico.html
That is my point about the Mexican PFP. They CAN and will kill their people with impunity. So we have the leftist PRI corrupted by drug money, and the Marxist APO sending students and children with rocks, sticks, and molotov cocktails up against the PFP. Tell me who will win, and who you are going to pull for.
Not much of a choice. I can tell you who will lose, though, regardless of which side "wins"...
The innocent people.
You're kidding, right? These people have had over 500 years to stand up for their country and make it into what we have done in 230! And what have they done? Nothing, except embrace communists like Sub-Commander Marcos and Obredor!
They don't have to leave their country! There are jobs down there! It is simply that there is a better standard of living up here, which they will never give up. Instead they want you to bend to them by learning Spanish, educating their children, treating their sick/infirmed, celebrating their holidays, etc. The crooks are already here...they are the illegals!
"Students" with weapons and Che Guevarra shirts are terrorists, not real students, unless you get credit for making malatov cocktails.
It's been more than 35 years. It is their entire history.
They've had over 500 years to do what we've done in 230. Something is missing.
"Hopefully, Calderón will do better."
Don't count on it. Obredor's followers are creating a parrallel government. And Subcommander Marcos thinks both should be overthrown.
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