To: Jaguarbhzrd
Epistemology?
Is that what you think the problem is?
I believe a difference of epistemology is only a piece of the puzzle. I merely stated that experimentalism is limited in its scope of knowledge it can discover. In history, there are eyewitness accounts which provided historical documents, etc. In rationalism, there is the law of non-contradiction, etc. Although valid rational thinking and the study of historical documents are limited in scope as well. Limiting ones self to one method of discovering what is true is limiting ones ability to only discover truth found inside a limited sphere of knowledge, and ignoring truth that is outside the sphere.
I believe the root of the issue is often found in ones heart, the religious presuppositions of ultimate reality of the observer.
The religious presuppositions that evolution by chis a 'fact', that matter came before mind, etc are false.
The religious presuppositions of evolutionary scientists color what they think and do. Some are incapable of even acknowledging that they have presuppositions, let alone are they able to rationally discuss them.
Matter before mind presuppositions result in conclusions which are contradictory to the world. The materialist cannot be consistent to the logic of their presuppositions, because the materialist lives in a reality which was made by something external to matter...God. This being so, materialist is in a place of tension.
Materialists build up walls of protection to shield themselves from the point of tension. The materialist then erects barriers, even if completely irrational or improbable, to try to deal w/ the contradiction of how he observes the world.
I believe one of those barriers which you have erected is telling people that you have never met and have no idea what feilds of study their respective graduate degrees are in that they are not in the category of people which "understand science".
Because I care about you, I will try to lovingly and with true tears try to remove the layers of protection and allow the truth of the created world to shine upon the you. God's creation, the world you live in, is a reflection of His glory and divine nature. I believe that if those wall of protections are removed you may see the world as Francis Bacon did when he noted that the book of God's word and the book of God's world were written by the same author.
Here is an experiment:
Try to consciously change your presuppositions for a couple of days.
It's ok to ask God for help with this experiment, or even consult the historical documents of the eyewitness accounts found in the book of John.
To: FreedomProtector
someday I will learn to proof read...
evolution by chis a 'fact' -> chance and natural process is a 'fact'
To: FreedomProtector
Why is it you have to pray that God will change my heart?
Just give me facts, and if they are convincing facts, I will change my mind.
If you have to reach out to God to change my heart and mind, it tells me that you don't have much of an argument.
Science is based on the physical, repeatable, and inductive, it is not Philisophical as you guys are attempting to claim.
If you feel the need to believe that God created the universe, then please do so. Just because you feel this way, does not make it necassary for science to make itself useless so that you will be philisophically comfortable with it.
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