The truth about embryonic stem cell (ESC) therapies

CERC ^ | 10.17.06

[Coleus]

Embryonic Stem Cell Research on Animals Has FAILED to Produce Any Cures or Treatments in 25 Years

[Dr. Scarpetta]

Bump

[Fighting Irish]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/res_stem.htm

http://www.advancedcell.com/scientific-papers/

[Fighting Irish]

http://www.advancedcell.com/recent-news-item/human-stem-cells-help-blinded-rats-study

[VOA]

The Mercury News in an article last week reports that the Institute’s
president, Zach Hall, “predicted it might take 15 years before the
institute’s research results in a medical product.”

And the red-ink state of CA decided to put $3-$6 BILLION of chips
down as their bet for this.

On behalf of California's ESC researchers and their allied lawyers,
publicists and lobbyists, let me say:
"THANKS, SUCKERS!"

[frogjerk]

Advanced Cell Technologies have lost credibility.

Error Sparks Stem Cell Debate Confusion

...Last week, the California biotech company Advanced Cell Technology proposed a way out of the impasse. Writing in the scientific journal Nature, ACT researchers described a way to make stem cells from single cells that had been removed from embryos. Because fertility doctors routinely remove single cells from embryos for genetic testing and then successfully implant them, the technique could in theory be used to create stem cells without destroying human embryos.

An e-mail sent to reporters by Nature before the paper's online publication stated that company researchers "have been able to generate new lines of cultured embryonic stem (ES) cells while leaving the embryo intact."

In reality, however, the embryos used by the company were destroyed in the course of developing the method. The researchers removed an average of five to six cells from each embryo rather than one to improve their chances of success. Removing that many cells at such an early stage of development effectively destroys an embryo.

Within hours of the paper's release, the journal issued a pair of clarifications to the original e-mail that corrected the mistake. But several media outlets included the error in their own accounts.

[frogjerk]

OCRT Statement of Belief:

We are a multi-faith group. As of 2006-JAN, we consist of one Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Wiccan and Zen Buddhist. Thus, the OCRT staff lack agreement on almost all theological matters: belief in a supreme being, the nature of God, interpretation of the Bible and other holy texts, whether life after death exists and what form it takes, etc.

[Fighting Irish]

ACTC stock was up today .....




Just for yucks

[VOA]

Removing that many cells at such an early stage of development effectively
destroys an embryo.

I'm suprised the company didn't hire Bill Clinton to help confuse the
press (and public) by asking what the definition of "effectively" "is".

[frogjerk]

The Religious tolerance organization you site is definitely liberal in nature. They don't believe in any moral absolutes. They state they believe in the inherent worth of a human being but support abortion because we don't "know" when life begins.

They are left wing for sure. Also, they are from Toronto, Canada. 'Nuff said.

[Coleus]

every thing you posted had already been accomplished by using adult stem cells without killing any children.

[neverdem]

bump & a ping

[muawiyah]

An easy answer is that the proponents of ESC technology hope to inject embryonic stemcells into the brains of the handicapped and give them cancer.

There might be another answer, but that one works for me.

[cpforlife.org]

Pro-Life PING

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[.30Carbine]

Thank you very much for your posts at 7 and 8.

And in reply to your homepage question, yes, I did go to check up on you!

[Fighting Irish]

every thing you posted had already been accomplished by using adult stem cells without killing any children.

But there is a v-a-s-t difference in cells that don't know what they are yet (Embryonic) and those that do (Adult).

Listen .... personally, I'm really on the fence with this issue, I admit. Being a christian and hardcore pro-life there are some things I find that cut across the grain of my core beliefs. Perhaps taking this side of the debate is theraputic and causing me to rethink the issue.

But if I had to choose right now - I'd say if there were a way to extract a single cell from an embryo without damaging the potential the remainder cells would develope into a human baby ..then I'm all in.

ACTC has made a claim, presented white papers and the world has responded by saying, "Prove it".

Well, I'm willing to give them the time and money to do just that. God knows we have spent money in the billions on totaly useless studies. This one, if it can be done would be one of the greatest finds in a century.

We conservatives have no problem sending our young men and women to war - watch them get blown into a million pieces and suck it up, siting drunken driver statistics as a comparison.

We have an opportunity here ... to ease pain and suffering. If I had to chose where my tax dollars go - Ted Kennedy's hookers and scotch or giving hope a child would see again, (pick your ailment) I wouldn't think twice about funding stem cell research.

Now if that line of thinking is criminal - then lock me and others like me up.

[Fighting Irish]

OCRT Statement of Belief: We are a multi-faith group. As of 2006-JAN, we consist of one Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Wiccan and Zen Buddhist. Thus, the OCRT staff lack agreement on almost all theological matters: belief in a supreme being, the nature of God, interpretation of the Bible and other holy texts, whether life after death exists and what form it takes, etc.

This is a whole new and different argument.

Are you implying only christians can find a moral foothold in the pro-life debate?

[Coleus]

As I said, escr has been around for 25 years and has already been determined to cure no ailments and no diseases. ES Cells cause cancer, abnormal growth and tumors. Adult stem cells have already been used to treat eye diseases without using children/embryos so why do Frankenstein like research on humans in the embryonic stage? It's evil and the end does not justify the means. That embryo is someone's child, brother, sister and deserves the respect of any person. The escr is about abortion and money plain and simple.

But there is a v-a-s-t difference in cells that don't know what they are yet (Embryonic) and those that do (Adult). >>>>

yes, there is a difference, and that's why bone and skin grew in the brains of Parkinson's patients. These cells are primordial and undifferentiated and are created to cause rapid growth inevitably to form a whole human being.

[Fighting Irish]

I like your tagline ... btw