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Australia Muslim cleric suspended
BBC ^ | Oct, 26, 2006

Posted on 10/27/2006 6:56:23 AM PDT by PRePublic

Australia Muslim cleric suspended Australia's top Muslim cleric has been barred from preaching for up to three months, after comparing immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".

Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali's comments, suggesting that women who did not wear a headscarf attracted sexual assault, have caused a storm of protest.

Sydney's mosque association said the suspension would give the cleric time to consider the impact of his words.

But Australian Premier John Howard said the action was insufficient.

Many people - including some Muslim leaders - have called for the cleric to be dismissed from office.

Sheikh Hilali sparked more controversy on Friday when, asked by reporters if he would resign, he responded: "After we clean the world of the White House first."

His comments, made outside his mosque in Sydney after Friday prayers, prompted a round of applause from supporters.

Apology

Sheikh Hilali's comments about women's dress were delivered in a sermon to some 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

SHEIKH TAJ EL-DIN AL-HILALI Born in Egypt Aged 64 Imam in Sydney Appointed mufti of Australia in 1989

Controversial mufti Australian press furious Edited transcript But it was not until they were published in The Australian newspaper on Thursday that a wave of anger was unleashed.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?" Sheikh Hilali is quoted as asking during the sermon.

The uncovered meat is the problem, he went on to say.

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [headscarf], no problem would have occurred," he added.

Sheikh Hilali has since apologised for his comments, which he said had been misinterpreted and taken out of context.

"I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments. I had only intended to protect women's honour," he said in a statement published in The Australian.

"Women in our Australian society have the freedom and the right to dress as they choose," he added.

Muslim leaders decided to accept his apology and said that no action would be taken against the cleric.

I think what he's done is so unacceptable

PM John Howard

Send us your views Mosque Association president Tom Zreika said the board was "basically satisfied with the notion that certain statements made by the mufti [were] misrepresented".

"We felt the three months away would give him time to mull over what's been said," Mr Zreika told reporters.

But many other Australians feel more action should be taken against Sheikh Hilali.

"I believe that unless this matter is satisfactorily resolved by the Islamic community, there is a real worry that some lasting damage will be done," Prime Minister John Howard told Australian radio.

"I think what he's done is so unacceptable and so out of line with not only mainstream Australian opinion but... mainstream Muslim opinion."

"I know how strongly many Islamic community people felt about those comments yesterday, how damaging they saw them in terms of Australian-Islamic relations," added Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward.

"I think the pressure should not be taken off just because he has agreed to be silent for three months."

Sheikh Hilali has courted controversy in the past, claiming in a 2004 sermon that the September 2001 attacks in the US had been "God's work against oppressors".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; extremists; hilali; howard; islam; koran; mosque; mullah; muslims; quran; tajeldinalhilali
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1 posted on 10/27/2006 6:56:23 AM PDT by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

He ought to be suspended from a rope.


2 posted on 10/27/2006 6:57:09 AM PDT by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: PRePublic

Dumb Bastard. But then again, women are friggin' cattle to a whole lot (majority) of muslims.


3 posted on 10/27/2006 6:59:45 AM PDT by vpintheak (Yep.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
I'm sure many people especially women are with ya on that.
4 posted on 10/27/2006 7:00:06 AM PDT by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

I am still waiting for the NAG HAG NOW gals to weigh in on this -- waiting -- waiting -- waiting -- crickets.........


5 posted on 10/27/2006 7:01:49 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: vpintheak

http://geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/TreatingWomen.html - Treating Women

Violence Against Women
Rape, unfortunately, remains a common form of violence against women. In addition, the woman (in Islam) is often blamed for being the victim of rape.
http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/violence.html


Prime Victims The social consequences of this war among its primary victims, women and ... The Islamic Council of Guardians decreed that "a woman does not have the right ...
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/book_on_women/chapter2.html


Victims of Islam: Women
http://www.iheu.org/node/1534 pages


BBC World Service Trust.org | Women as victims of Islamic laws
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/trust/news/story/2006/03/060307_piece_by_rafaqat_ali.shtml


FrontPage magazine.com :: Rape in Islam: Blaming the Victim
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5676


6 posted on 10/27/2006 7:06:02 AM PDT by PRePublic
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Suspended? Dismissed from office? That'll really show him. What the Aussies need to do is expel him from their country. Until we start denying these cave men (with apologies to Geico) the privilege of living in our societies, they are not going to back down.
7 posted on 10/27/2006 7:09:44 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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No muzzies are marching???? Can't be!

Time for the newspaper to publish a cartoon of the perp, holding some raw meat, being chased by cats.

Then the muzzies will have something to riot for, to bomb the churches, set fire to the flags, brandish swords, and have lots of fun muzzie style, to mark the end of Ramadamadingdong!


8 posted on 10/27/2006 7:15:02 AM PDT by aShepard (Maybe the UN should donate UNICEF proceeds to the Gates Foundation, and fold!)
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Unless the Aussie press will "buy" (the PC) it again that it's "racist anti Arab", as they have portrayed the non Arab native Aussies for hitting back at the Arab gangs on the Sydney beach last year.


9 posted on 10/27/2006 7:26:58 AM PDT by PRePublic
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To: 3AngelaD
I think the Islamic council got cold feet and felt the heat from the "infidel" majority, but it's too Little too late.
10 posted on 10/27/2006 7:28:06 AM PDT by PRePublic
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Why is he still alive??? Are there any real men left in Australia? He should be beaten to death and stuffed with pig entrails right inside the mosque.


11 posted on 10/27/2006 7:29:31 AM PDT by montag813
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To: PRePublic

Every hour he is left alive is an insult to Australian women.


12 posted on 10/27/2006 7:30:38 AM PDT by montag813
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There is something a bit odd about the reports on this. The egregious thing the 'cleric' did was to justify or excuse rape.

The 'meat' metaphor has been used by lots of people, as in description of singles-bars as 'meat markets', complaints by women about having been made to feel like a 'piece of meat' by the unwanted attentions of men, and the like.

The headlines and lead paragraphs should be focusing on the 'cleric' excusing rape, not on his metaphor.

Actually, considering that the extension of the metaphor equates the Muslim perps with 'ravening animals', maybe we shouldn't object to the metaphor at all, only to its use to excuse rapes.


13 posted on 10/27/2006 7:31:37 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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No one in this entire conversation has said if the women referred to in his remarks were muslim or not. If Australia is a free country and the women in question were not muslim, why should they be made to cover up in muslim fashion?


14 posted on 10/27/2006 7:46:57 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: aShepard

Ramadamadingdong............thanks for the laugh!!!!


15 posted on 10/27/2006 7:49:34 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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Sheikh Hilali sparked more controversy on Friday when, asked by reporters if he would resign, he responded: "After we clean the world of the White House first."

Who the h ll does this evil Sheikh Hilali think he is? I truly am finding it harder each day to like Muslims. Maybe we should clean the world of the evil Muslims like him and his kind . Stoning these guys sounds good to me, after all they like to abuse and have stoned women to death in the name of the religion of peace.
16 posted on 10/27/2006 7:53:01 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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"Many people - including some Muslim leaders - have called for the cleric to be dismissed from office. "

He and his supporters should be deported.


17 posted on 10/27/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Do we know if anyone is Australia is trying to deport him? I would be happy to contribute to the deportation fund.


18 posted on 10/27/2006 7:58:23 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: The_Reader_David

I thought about the same thing when I read this story....the hypersensitive muslims have no problem with being likened to animals unable to control their own impusles. Nevermind that this seems to be the best description of them in print to date...


19 posted on 10/27/2006 8:02:23 AM PDT by delphirogatio
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Times Online October 27, 2006

Muslim cleric attacks US and refuses to resign


Australia’s most senior Islamic cleric has defiantly refused to resign over remarks comparing unveiled women to uncovered meat, saying that he would only step down when the White House was "cleaned" out.

Sheikh Taj Din al-Hilali, who caused outrage by suggesting that women who chose not to cover themselves invited rape, was instead suspended from preaching for two to three months by the board of Sydney’s Lakemba Mosque Association.

But the ban has been deemed an insufficient response by critics - including John Howard, the country’s Prime Minister - who have called for the cleric’s resignation and urged the Muslim community to act decisively to repudiate his assertions.

Asked today if he would step down, the cleric, who was welcoming worshippers to Friday prayers at the mosque, responded with a verbal assault on the US President, saying: "After we clean the world of the White House first".

His spokesman said later that the cleric was making the point that George Bush’s foreign policy and invasion of Iraq were more deserving of criticism than a sermon. "He says he’s just a frail old cleric, not the President of the United States, and the media should not be so pedantic about his words," Keysar Trad said.

The 65-year-old cleric, who was born in Egypt, was a vocal opponent of the Iraq war, saying that Mr Bush, Mr Howard and Tony Blair constituted an 'axis of evil' for declaring war on Saddam Hussein’s regime.

He also hit the Australian headlines for glorifying martyrdom and describing the September 11 attacks as "God’s work against the oppressors."

But any controversy he previously generated was overshadowed yesterday when his comments on women’s dress – first made a month’s ago at a Ramadan sermon - were revealed to the public.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cat’s or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem," he said in the sermon.

The cleric also spoke of women who "sway suggestively", wore make-up and dressed immodestly "and then you get a judge without mercy and (he) gives you 55 years".

"The uncovered meat is the problem," he said. "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

After receiving widespread condemnation, Sheikh al-Hilali issued a lengthy apology, insisting that he did not condone rape and claiming he had been misinterpreted by the press.

He said that a translation showed he was quoting an ancient Islamic scholar on the contentious remarks, echoing the storm created last month after Pope Benedict XVI made a speech in which he quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor who linked Islam with violence.

Mr Howard, usually very cautious in reacting to such matters, slated the cleric and today urged Muslims in Australia to take further action against his comments to avoid being tarnished with the same brush.

"What I am saying to the Islamic community is this: If they do not resolve this matter, it could do lasting damage to the perceptions of that community within the broader Australian community," Howard told Southern Cross Broadcasting.

"We do not want the Islamic community isolated. We do not want the Islamic community to be an object of criticism and derision."

"If it is not resolved, then unfortunately people will run around saying: ‘Well, the reason they didn’t get rid of him is because secretly some of them support his views,’" Mr Howard said, adding that the cleric was an Australian citizen and could not be deported.

But the Lakemba Mosque Association was adamant that the ban on preaching was sufficient and that "certain statements" made by Sheikh al-Hilali had been misinterpreted as he claimed.

"Obviously those comments have been made, but he provided us with an unequivocal apology for saying so," said Toufic Zreika, President of the Association.

Women’s groups and Muslim leader joined in Mr Howard’s denunciations. Pru Goward, Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner, accused Sheikh al-Hilali of inciting rape, and said the temporary ban on preaching was inadequate punishment.

"I know how strongly many Islamic community people felt about those comments yesterday, how damaging they saw them in terms of Australian-Islamic relations, and I think the pressure should not be taken off just because he has agreed to be silent for three months, which we have also seen before," she told ABD radio.

Waleed Aly, spokesman for the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said: "It would seem to us that the comments ... have really caused a lot of pain to a lot of people, and in those circumstances we would have thought resignation was the appropriate course of action."

There are almost 300,000 Muslims in Australia, constituting 1.5 per cent of the population. Many of them come from Lebanon and arrived during the 1975-90 Lebanese civil war.

 

 

 


20 posted on 10/27/2006 8:13:56 AM PDT by XR7
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