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France tightens security on riot anniversary fears
AFP via The Tocqueville Connection ^ | 10/27/2006

Posted on 10/26/2006 10:52:49 PM PDT by Republicain

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To: Minette
The French are very stuck in their ways, so I expect any change will be painful, but they have got to do something.

Every change in France is always painfull. It's not new. It's cultural. France society is almost unable to reform itself without revolutions or riots. The 1789's French Revolution is the perfect example. That doesn't mean that any reform is impossible in France, but the choice to reform is made when there's no over choice, and sometimes when it's too late. Actual politicians now that very well. And they perfectly know that if they want to last, they have no choice but to propose what we call "reformettes", which is almost everytime worst than to do nothing. So, the french society lives with an incredible accumulation of laws, which most of them are totally obsolete and counter-productive. For exemple,years after years, successive governments have introduced new "reformettes" to deal with the unemployment problem. So, now, there are thousands and thousands of possible aids for the jobless or for the small businesses. But almost nobody is able to remember that these aids exist, even in the jobless centers. It's totally insane, especially when you know that there are more than 3 million jobless in France and that the entire budget dedicate to the unemployment is around 60 billion euros... 60 billions would be enough to finance 2 million new full-time jobs in the french administration, for instance.

21 posted on 10/27/2006 2:49:47 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain

The cool maps are back.

22 posted on 10/27/2006 3:00:22 AM PDT by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: Republicain

Busses are this year's trendiest target for the Muslim rioters.

23 posted on 10/27/2006 3:33:28 AM PDT by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: Republicain

Hi Republicain! It sounds like a major legal reform is needed. I think the jobless problem would be greatly helped by reforming the employment laws.

I also think the "entitlement" mentality that exists in certain quarters and the corresponding waste of taxpayer money need to change. I was surprised when I heard something on the news around the time of la rentrée about new university students getting a payment from the government to help offset their new apartment charges. I mean, what is that about?! The government shouldn't be giving out money for that type of thing. It's probably a small amount, even in the aggregate, but how many of these little special payments exist? I have a feeling I don't want to know.

Don't get me wrong, I love living here, but there are definitely some things that make my American mind want to explode!


24 posted on 10/27/2006 3:40:48 AM PDT by Minette
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To: Republicain
As long the employment market in France will be so rigid, there will be for these youth only two alternatives : criminality and/or islamism.

In many poor places in the Islamic world, the way for a boy to get free meals and a place to sleep is to enter a madrassa (Islamist school), where he is indoctrinated with radical Islam. The Saudis, among otherrs, are spending a lot of money funding the madrassas.

I wonder to what extent the mobs of muslim "youts" are being paid to behave that way, by unfriendly foreign powers?

25 posted on 10/27/2006 4:00:40 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I wonder to what extent the mobs of muslim "youts" are being paid to behave that way, by unfriendly foreign powers?

No, I don't think they are being paid by foreign powers. A contrario, it's almost certain that youth's criminal activities are often a way to finance some islamist's activities (terrorist or not)

26 posted on 10/27/2006 4:16:26 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain; Minette

It may console you a littlebit if I tell you that Germany has exactly the same problems. A mixture between moronic socialism and buerocracy. We all have to do something fast if we want to have a wealthy future and not just a wealthy past.

:-(


27 posted on 10/27/2006 4:24:53 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Minette
Don't get me wrong, I love living here, but there are definitely some things that make my American mind want to explode!

Hi. Yes, France is often a country difficult to understand, even for a Frenchman. It's a country full of contradictions, sometimes very modern, sometimes benighted. And most of all, a country often unable to look to reality. There's clearly a "denial of reality" in France and in my opinion (and I'm not alone to think like that) here is the key of France's problems.

28 posted on 10/27/2006 4:29:20 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Bon mots

LOL!


29 posted on 10/27/2006 4:32:30 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: cookcounty
People are now talking (quietly) about a civil war in France. They are speaking in the present tense.

It is still no civil war, but it is a growing problem. Civil war would mean that there is a broad conflict between all beurs and all native Frenchmen. I still do not see that. I do not want to euphemize, but civil war is the wrong conclusion.

Tt is rather unlikely that it comes to that in the long term since there is a big majority among the immigrants who want to live in peace. The problem are young unempolyed males.

30 posted on 10/27/2006 4:35:24 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: LikeLight
Busses are this year's trendiest target for the Muslim rioters.

Last year those idiots usually torched the cars of their fathers in their own banlieue (it were not the cars of the "rich" Frenchmen in the better areas). Those guys have practically no intelligence.

31 posted on 10/27/2006 5:40:05 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Republicain

Do they really speak French so badly as to be immediately identified by address? Not that the address should ever be grounds for discrimination, but trite use of language is an indicator of squalid intellect and education insufficiency, anywhere in the world.

Because I don't speak any French at all, I'd thought that these folks were all speakers, at native fluency. Also, having lived in the Middle East, I know that Arab Christians (Lebanon, Syria, Israel) and Northern African Arabs (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria) speak French. Is their French poor also?


32 posted on 11/04/2006 10:10:52 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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Is their French poor also

Yes, often their french is very poor and their french vocabulary very limited, except for insults and slang, of course. In fact they have their own language, the banlieue's language, their own (horrible) banlieue's accent and a way of talking to you aggressive and without nuances. So you can immediately identify where they come from.

33 posted on 11/04/2006 10:56:52 AM PST by Republicain
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