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The Avant-Garde of the Apocalypse. The Dutch and their Muslims
City Journal ^ | 25 October 2006 | by Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 10/25/2006 5:28:01 PM PDT by aculeus

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1 posted on 10/25/2006 5:28:05 PM PDT by aculeus
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For example, he started a scatological magazine, The Dirty Paper, at his primary school.

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2 posted on 10/25/2006 5:33:42 PM PDT by kinoxi
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Yes, Theo Van Gogh was a thoroughly obnoxious, even despicable, man.

Oddly, that made his murder even more of an event. The murder of a pious Christian probably would have passed unnoticed. People might even have thought that he deserved it. But Dutch liberals were shocked when a man like Theo Van Gogh was murdered.


3 posted on 10/25/2006 5:40:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: aculeus
Interestingly, Dutch-Moroccan young men seek sexual liaisons with European-Dutch girls

Shocker!

4 posted on 10/25/2006 5:54:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: aculeus
Optimists might point to India, for example, which has the second largest population of Muslims in the world, but which has maintained the highest standards of democratic freedom of any country in the Third World.

WTF??? India was torn in two by a vicious civil war and was forced to create the islamic state of Pakistan (which it later fought three wars with) to escape the civil war...

5 posted on 10/25/2006 6:09:10 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Cicero
Mark Steyn and Theodore Dalrymple are the most astute observers of the gathering conflict between Islam and the West.

Each is always worth reading.

6 posted on 10/25/2006 6:12:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: aculeus

The fact that Buruma writes for al-Guardian and is an avowed Marxist should have automatically had this book written off as garbage.

I am surprised that somebody as astute as Dalrymple would even dignify Buruma by reading it.


7 posted on 10/25/2006 6:14:27 PM PDT by fireman43
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Some 60 years ago... that doesn't deny that India:

1) - "has the second largest population of Muslims in the world", and

2) - (arguably) "has maintained the highest standards of democratic freedom of any country in the Third World"

WTF??? India was torn in two by a vicious civil war and was forced to create the islamic state of Pakistan (which it later fought three wars with) to escape the civil war...

8 posted on 10/25/2006 6:20:40 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: fireman43
Perhaps Dalrymple subscribes to the theory that:

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

The fact that Buruma writes for al-Guardian and is an avowed Marxist should have automatically had this book written off as garbage.

9 posted on 10/25/2006 6:24:52 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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Some 60 years ago... that doesn't deny that India: 1) - "has the second largest population of Muslims in the world", and 2) - (arguably) "has maintained the highest standards of democratic freedom of any country in the Third World"

Around 90% of India's population are non-Muslem. India's success is in spite of it's Muslim minority. A large percentage of the violence in India is perpetrated by it's small minority Muslim population.

10 posted on 10/25/2006 6:28:01 PM PDT by Prokopton
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Perhaps that's why the author went on to say:

"However, pessimists might reply that it is the memory and very real threat of intercommunal violence, from which the Muslims must emerge the overall losers because they are so much in the minority, that keeps freedom alive in India and Muslims loyal to, or at least compliant with, the democratic order. If they scented weakness in the Indian state, they—or rather the Islamists among them—would go on the offensive.".

11 posted on 10/25/2006 6:34:41 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: okie01

Agreed.


12 posted on 10/25/2006 6:47:45 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: aculeus

Thanks for posting this. City Journal is a treasure as is Dalrymple.

How droll of Dalrymple to say that he has the makings of a fanatic. I saw him do a reading on tv. In person he is a big bear of a man with a thoroughly English face, like a Toby jug, and the most genial, self-deprecating manner.


13 posted on 10/25/2006 7:24:20 PM PDT by Barset
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To: aculeus

It is news to me that Hirsi Ali had a "priviledged background". Is escaping from Somalia with a clittorectomey "priveledged".


14 posted on 10/25/2006 7:24:53 PM PDT by bukkdems (If this global warming gets out of hand, we can use some of that nuclear winter.)
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Ian Buruma
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Ian Buruma (born 1951) is an Anglo-Dutch writer and academic. Much of his work focuses on Asian culture, particularly that of 20th-century Japan.

He was born in the Netherlands, to a Dutch father and English mother. He studied Chinese literature, and then Japanese film at Nihon University in Tokyo. He has held a number of editorial and academic positions, and has contributed numerous articles to the New York Review of Books.

He has held fellowships at the Woodrow Wilson Institute for the Humanities, Washington, D.C and St Antony's College, Oxford. In 2003 he became Luce Professor of Democracy, Human Rights & Journalism at Bard College, New York.

He resides in New York.


[edit] Works
The Japanese Tattoo (1980) with Donald Richie
Behind the Mask: On Sexual Demons, Sacred Mothers, Transvestites, Gangsters, Drifters, and Other Japanese Cultural Heroes (1983)
Tokyo: Form and Spirit (1986) with James R. Brandon, Kenneth Frampton, Martin Friedman, Donald Richie
God's Dust: A Modern Asian Journey (1989)
Great Cities of the World: Hong Kong (1991)
Playing the Game (1991) novel
The Wages of Guilt: Memories of War in Germany and in Japan (1994)
Geisha: The Life, the Voices, the Art (1998) with Jodi Cobb
Voltaire's Coconuts, or Anglomania in Europe (1998)
The Missionary and the Libertine: Love and War in East and West, 2000
Bad Elements: Chinese Rebels from Los Angeles to Beijing (2001)
Inventing Japan: From Empire to Economic Miracle 1853-1964 (2003)
Occidentalism: The West in the Eyes of Its Enemies (2004) with Avishai Margalit
Murder in Amsterdam (2006)


15 posted on 10/25/2006 7:28:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think.)
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"Scratch a Dutch liberal, and you will find a Calvinist moralist not far beneath the surface."

Scratch an American liberal, and you will find a Pruitan moralist not far beneath the surface. Leftists (there's nothing liberal about these people) are neo-Puritans straight out of the Salem witch hysteria.

16 posted on 10/25/2006 7:48:20 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("You must not forsake the ship in a Tempist, because you cannot rule and keep down the winds" T More)
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"whole neighborhoods, usually of public housing, became in effect Moroccan colonies. ...the colonizers found themselves colonized."

Do the rest of the Dutch share Van Gogh's renowned sense of humor? It might help.

17 posted on 10/25/2006 7:55:15 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("You must not forsake the ship in a Tempist, because you cannot rule and keep down the winds" T More)
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bttt


18 posted on 10/26/2006 4:10:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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bttt


19 posted on 10/26/2006 6:01:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: aculeus
Optimists might point to India, for example, which has the second largest population of Muslims in the world, but which has maintained the highest standards of democratic freedom of any country in the Third World. However, pessimists might reply that it is the memory and very real threat of intercommunal violence, from which the Muslims must emerge the overall losers because they are so much in the minority, that keeps freedom alive in India and Muslims loyal to, or at least compliant with, the democratic order. If they scented weakness in the Indian state, they—or rather the Islamists among them—would go on the offensive.

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India is a poor example. There are weekly violent islamist actions throughout much of the country.

20 posted on 10/26/2006 6:07:19 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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