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To: Digger

Handing over power to the Democratic Party, at this juncture of its political (im)maturity, or working towards that goal, is constructive treason.


106 posted on 10/24/2006 10:57:04 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Hanging on to this so-called conservative party that does what it wants (not listening to the people) isn't the answer & no matter what happens this yr or 2 yrs from now these tow fraudulent parties are going to align themselves & show that they are really no different. They are bought & paid for by the same elites. So why not let the chips fall now because there are always going to be the Hildabeast & perhaps worse & the pubbies will lower themselves to that level. Only voting outside of this cartel or an all out revolution will there ever be a true conservative agenda in Congress or the Supreme Court.
110 posted on 10/24/2006 11:06:03 AM PDT by Digger
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

[Handing over power to the Democratic Party, at this juncture of its political (im)maturity, or working towards that goal, is constructive treason.]

It's called entrenchment to subjective ideological purity, or 'if I can't have it totally my way, I am taking my bat and ball and going home.' Sadly, the left does not have sole proprietorship of such zealous irrationality. There is no sole 'school of conservative thought' that can claim a majority. The political reality is that it takes a uniting of various conservatives, social and economic, to create a majority.

Even then, at this point in history, those we like to decry as RINOs, aka moderates and independents, are needed by both the left and right to build a majority concensus. Granted, the left needs to draw more of them than the right does, but neither side has a majority without them. That is simple political reality, something that ideologues on both sides abhor. In the end, if either side ignores or writes off the middle and cedes it to the opposition, they will lose the election.

This is the construct that the Founding Fathers envisioned when they established our system of government, the federalism of a representative republic. It is one that does not allow for rapid change that would foment upheaval and chaos. It took democrats over 30 years to implement a socialistic government bureaucracy of entitlement programs that enslaved the public on reliance on the government for their well-being.

What do we learn from history ? It appears ideological zeal turns a blind eye. Reagan began the reform, but, once again, we backtracked, and the Perot movement delivered Bill Clinton, who set back many of the reforms Reagan made, especially military and intelligence. Now, we have started agian to make inroads, but it is not fast enough or ideologically pure enough for some. So they threaten to stay home or vote for someone else.

Will we once again deliver the democrats a victory because of our narrow-sightedness ? Will we set back the gains made ? Will we lose the opportunity to get the one more Supreme Court judge to make a difference ? Will we risk the security and defense of the country we all love ? This is a seminal election, one of great import that will have major ramifications and set the stage for 2008. It will determine who sets the agenda between now and then.

I know this string was about Michael Savage/Weiner. Personally, I am not a fan, besides his ego, he is too angry and panders to that emotion, and that tends to drown out logic and the ability to look at the big picture. Does it matter to me if he endorses Jerry Brown ? Not really, because I make up my own mind. I agree with some of Savage's positions and disagree with others (including Brown - btw he claims to support Brown because he opened a military school in SF, and should be rewarded for that).

What is my point ? If we allow ourselves to be distracted from the big picture goal by individual tunnlevision issues, we risk losing both. While ideological positions can shape the debate, political reality is that it is incrementalism that delivers the end result with our system of government. This is at odds with modern societies desire for immediate gratification and lack of patience, we want it and we want it now. But we forget the lesson of the tortoise and the hare.


119 posted on 10/24/2006 11:45:42 AM PDT by KMAJ2 (Freedom not defended is freedom relinquished, liberty not fought for is liberty lost.)
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