[SampleMan]

Your supposition that harm is the basis of criminal law is patently absurd.

Really? Patently absurd? Murder is not illegal because of the harm it does? Fascinating. If not harm, then criminal law would be based on what in your world?

This should be fascinating. PLEASE keep posting. No particular reason.

[dcwusmc]

Actually, he's almost right. "Harm" is really hard to show in many cases and can be whatever someone claims it to be. The BEST baseline for crime is violation of rights, which are pretty easy to define objectively. Murder is, of course, the ultimate violation of rights.

[PaxMacian]

Matthew 11:18-19
For John came neither eating nor drinking,
and they say,
'He has a demon.'
The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and they say,
'Here is a glutton and a drunkard,
a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."
' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."


Murder is criminal because it violates an other's inalienable right to life. Harm as a chief motivation
is no different than having fear as your chief motivation.
Most occurrences of the word 'fear' in the Bible are followed
by the word 'not'. Sometimes it is fear 'God'. But, you
fear a gift from God, a flower. Meanwhile, you disregard
the word of the Lord and cheer on DEAmen to the destruction
of other's lives over their consumption of an herb.


ROM 14:2-4
For one believeth that he may eat all things:
but he that is weak, let him eat herbs.
Let not him that eateth, despise him that eateth not:
and he that eateth not, let him not judge him that eateth.
For God hath taken him to him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?
To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand:
for God is able to make him stand.