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Lots of money, time needed to move rails
San Antonio Express-News ^ | October 22, 2006 | Patrick Driscoll and Gary Scharrer

Posted on 10/22/2006 6:43:23 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Proud_texan
I pretty much figured that we didn't care the day the 1/4 percent sales tax went into effect with the promise that "we'll never, ever have to raise it and it'll generate so much money that we will never had to raise property taxes".

And the same Texans voted for the Lottery, 'cause we were told it it could go to education. Please do not kick me, I am just the messenger. I do not like big government. The fact remains that the Feds control the Interstate system. I have never been a fan of opening up the Texas Constitution to meddling. But it is done. Marching in the streets will not change that, much to the dismay of some. The best that we can do, IMHO, is work with our county government.

41 posted on 10/22/2006 2:39:40 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Hydroshock
We need a vote on the TTC

Some people need a course in Texas civics. You had two votes already. The option of contacting your State Rep and State Senator have not been denied. If you happen to live in one of the two State districts that opposed this in the legislature, get thee to the Democratic precinct office and sign the petition to void Article 3, Section 49-k. Because you will have the distinct honor of being the first name on the list! Even Bell has sense enough to support this while he talks trash. If you doubt this, take a look at the petitions that the three nutballs have available. They are meaningless.

42 posted on 10/22/2006 2:49:40 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
It doesn't much matter, one need only look at the current crop of pols (and prospective pols) to know what our problems are with no prospects of changing anything; we're getting what we deserve.

In the last ten years the budget for roads has stayed flat while spending on HHS has gone through the roof. No one seems to care.

We've got a Lt. Gov. who wants you to think that it's "all about the chillin". Seriously, check out his web site(s) and one would get the impression that he's head nanny. Oh, and as a good republican he was responsible for the legislation for adding, what was that number? 2k plus new CPS agents?

I guess it'd be nice to be able to work with county goobermint but now with ETJs and the throughly vile transportation districts they've managed to stack the politburo to the point where it's not controllable by the residents of a single county; you'd need a total revolt in multiple counties to change direction.

I've come to the conclusion that Claytie had it right... expect it shouldn't have been about bad weather....

43 posted on 10/22/2006 2:54:19 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

What part of teh details on thsi moster land grab were not public during th long ago votes do you not understand? We need a vote on these details.


44 posted on 10/22/2006 2:56:44 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

And you did not answer my question, are you afraid with what has come out that the majority of Texans would not support the Gov Goodhair land grab toll road?


45 posted on 10/22/2006 2:57:46 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

A majority of Texans will support the TTC over your alternative, over Grandma's alternative, over Kooky's alternative.


46 posted on 10/22/2006 3:06:37 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Proud_texan
I've come to the conclusion that Claytie had it right... expect it shouldn't have been about bad weather....

Hilarious! I always liked Clayton Williams. To modify his statement to modern times- "Legislative fiat is a lot like rape, if it is inevitable; you might as well kick back and enjoy it". I think that Kinky is the only one that could get away with that today.

Dolph Briscoe was the last Governor with guts. And he knew how to drive a Legislature.

47 posted on 10/22/2006 3:08:22 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I think the majority will not suport building it period. This toll road is not needed. And if it is whynot do what Harris county did, we set up a toll road authority that sold bonds to build roads. Set it up so the money they collect can only be spent on paying off teh bonds adn they can only sell bonds to build this road unless they take it back to teh voters. The voters should have a say.


48 posted on 10/22/2006 3:12:59 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

And you did not answer my question, are you afraid with what has come out that the majority of Texans would not support the Gov Goodhair land grab toll road? Please answer this question.


49 posted on 10/22/2006 3:14:24 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
I am not afraid of anything that has "come out". Did somebody get caught with a dead girl or a live boy? The Texas Attorney General has been quiet on the matter. Both Constitutional Amendments passed committee and joint vote (veto-proof), and were overwhelmingly approved by popular vote. Last that I heard, the only people making a fuss over this whole issue are inept politicians and their compensated minions on forums and blogs. Just sayin'.
50 posted on 10/22/2006 3:16:17 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Hydroshock

Hydro, I think you'd be surprised at the vote outcome should there be one today..... Most of the people living within the traffic congested areas along where this roadway is proposed would vote in favor of it, imo. They may not use it personally but if it gets congestion off the roads they travel then they'd support it most likely. Once the DFW metroplex got the concession of including the loop as a part of it I think the major urban centers along the proposed I-35 route would vote overwhelming for the TTC-35.


51 posted on 10/22/2006 3:16:55 PM PDT by deport (The Governor, The Foghorn, The Dingaling, The Joker, some other fellar...... The Governor Wins)
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To: deport

I have talked to a large number of people, and those who have an opinion are against this. The level of opposition might surprise you.


52 posted on 10/22/2006 3:20:58 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Answer the question, should or should not the people, inlight of teh details that ahve come to light, have a vote on teh TTC? I think they should.


53 posted on 10/22/2006 3:22:08 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock; Dog Gone; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
paying off teh bonds adn they can only sell bonds to build this road unless they take it back to teh voters.

Can somebody make a run for Hydro? He needs a few more 40's, and I am concerned for his safety.

54 posted on 10/22/2006 3:22:17 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Sticks and stones. Answer the question.


55 posted on 10/22/2006 3:23:05 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
Call Kooky. He is really sagging and if he were to adopt you transportation plan, it would probably get him elected.

You need to hurry.

56 posted on 10/22/2006 3:24:04 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Hydroshock

I have talked to a large number of people, and those who have an opinion are against this.



I have talked to a large number of people, and those who have an opinion are for the TTC......

So I might be surprised but I seriously doubt it. Toll roads are going in around the major urban centers such as Houston, DFW, Austin, SA. So far the locals haven't shut down their RMAs. Rural areas don't have the congestion nor the population to defeat something the urban areas support. They may could via the legislative route but so far that hasn't even been an issue.

You admit you are okay with toll roads in Houston. Your main objection is that it's a proposal from the Governor whom you detest. jmo and reading/understanding of your posting history.


57 posted on 10/22/2006 3:27:22 PM PDT by deport (The Governor, The Foghorn, The Dingaling, The Joker, some other fellar...... The Governor Wins)
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To: deport

I think this road is not needed, but if it is the way we do in in Harris county would be a better deal for Texas then Gov Goodhair's plan.


58 posted on 10/22/2006 3:30:12 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

OK. Here is the answer. I believe that the Legislature approved of the creation of the Commission. I believe that the Governor has adhered to the letter of the voter approved laws. I have not seen any concrete proposal from any of the other candidates. Each county is empowered to deal with local issues. We can not, and must not, descend into a single vote "democracy". We are a representative Republic. Our duly elected representatives have authorized and funded the activities of the Commission, and the Texas Executive. Get over it.


59 posted on 10/22/2006 3:39:38 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

So you do not think that the people should vote on this, fine. I disagree, as big of a land grab as this that will have tolls that last for decades needs to be put before the citizens of TX.


60 posted on 10/22/2006 3:42:07 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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