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Lots of money, time needed to move rails
San Antonio Express-News ^ | October 22, 2006 | Patrick Driscoll and Gary Scharrer

Posted on 10/22/2006 6:43:23 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; VRWCmember; RikaStrom; Howlin; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; camle; Xenalyte
"Fear" .....

The whole article is based "what if" fears of an event that will be unlikely to occur - though trains have derailed with explosive and irritant and chemically dangerous cargoes before - and would cost tens of billions (the 2-4 billion estimate is a joke)! - of wasted money.

Besides, so you re-route the tracks around San Antonio - not one of the largest manufactoring cities in the world, by the way. Are you going to shutdown the companies that USE the raillines inside the city limits?

If not, then the cargo's are STILL going to be inside the city limts!
21 posted on 10/22/2006 11:38:12 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BurbankKarl
Rails have been there since 1870s.

And have been maintained to 1870's standards ever since. The Texas, and US, railways are a disgrace. There are many reasons. The deregulation of trucking had an impact. Air freight had an impact. The consolidation of the rail line companies in the '70s and '80s was not well planned. Federal subsidies for Amtrack hurt the railways. Most states have not addressed the problem.

22 posted on 10/22/2006 11:51:18 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The first obstacle is money — there isn't any.

BS. Could spell it out. That's what they always say when they don't want to do a project. The railroad yard in Fairbanks needs to be moved to the south side of town. The railroad has grown so it is seriously impacting town and needs to be relocated. But they say they don't have the funds for that. Of course they don't, they haven't talked to Ted Stevens yet.

23 posted on 10/22/2006 11:54:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Most states have not addressed the problem

That's true. Most states still treat the railroads as independent corporations with unlimited resources even where the Feds or the State have taken over.

This is part of the problem of decaying infrastructure in the US. We can't just sell the farm and move west like our ancestors did. It's a new ballgame.

24 posted on 10/22/2006 11:58:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Lots of money, time needed to move rails

In a countrry loaded with a tsunami of illegal immigrants and plenty of
pumped-up guys in jail/prison?

Someone needs to do some "outside the box" thinking and put those
resources to work!
25 posted on 10/22/2006 12:01:39 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Wendell Cox is the conservative's go to man on demographics, transportation, and planning, and is anti smart-growth.

He is also Texas' go to man on freight rail.

Freight Rail's Potential to Reduce Traffic Congestion

26 posted on 10/22/2006 12:31:35 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; Hydroshock

Ben,
Your link provides an excellent summary. At first glance, it appeared to be academics purporting to know what is best for Texas. If one bothers to read through the lenghty document, it becomes apparent that this is NOT the ravings of a government funded think-tank. From page 42, for our Houston friends:
"It is estimated that diversion of all rail freight to highways in Texas metropolitan areas would
increase traffic congestion (Roadway Congestion Index78) more than 20 percent.79 This would
make Houston the third-most congested urban area in the United States, compared to its actual
ranking of 26th. The impacts in Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio would rank each of these urban
areas in the top ten nationally as well (Table 6). The actual impacts would probably be greater,
because the largest Texas urban areas have higher-than-average freight rail market shares
(below)."

Thanks again,
ARMSF


27 posted on 10/22/2006 1:07:58 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Hydroshock
go to a vote of the people of this state.


I've stated this a couple of times over the last 2 weeks and have gotten NO response. Proponents of these roads don't won't a vote because they will probably lose. All they see is dollar signs and growth potential. They are not concern about the 'average Mom and Pop' in Texas and the effect this will have on the environment and resource depletion of this state, not to mention, the cultural aspects. Capitalism is one thing, Rape is another thing all together


I heard a pro-TTC commercial on the radio today. The best part was how it would be a vital hurricane evacuation route. Too bad it doesn't run to the coast. Sounds to me like they're hearing the protest but, they're NOT listening which, is the problem with all Gov. these days.
28 posted on 10/22/2006 1:22:49 PM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: wolfcreek

Iagree with your poings, we the people of Texas need to vote on this.


29 posted on 10/22/2006 1:40:42 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: wolfcreek

"Too bad it doesn't run to the coast."
Wow. Ignorance is bliss. Here is a link. Houston does seem to be on the coast!
http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/publications/files/ReasonableCorridors_Approved_noPrelim11x17_postPM_150dpi.pdf

Here is an interactive map. A person can smartly turn off different sections. Did you know that Louisiana and Arkansas are also involved? Missisippi is even involved! D@mn that Rick Perry. He even hoodwinked the people in eight other states.

http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/flash/interactive_map/interactive.htm


30 posted on 10/22/2006 1:46:25 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: wolfcreek

"Meanwhile, in Mississippi, 12 miles of Interstate 69 will open to traffic at 2 p.m. today connecting Tunica County with Interstate 55 in the northwestern portion of the state. The Commercial Appeal also reports that construction work on Mississippi's portion of the Memphis Outer Beltway (I-269) is expected to begin in the next three years."

http://www.i69info.com/index.html


31 posted on 10/22/2006 2:01:45 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: wolfcreek
On Sept 30th, there was a 40 county demonstration against the toll road and it was called "Hands Across the Toll Road". Nobody showed up. A 100 in San Antonio. 20 in Hillsboro. 6 in Greenville.

After the fact, it came to light that the rallies during the town hall meetings over the past year were nothing more than Grandma's traveling campaign circus.

Whatever the public opposition to TTC, it is nothing compared to the opposition to any alternative that no one wants to mention.

Let the voter decide. Does he want the TTC or another $1.50 in gas tax to build the road?

32 posted on 10/22/2006 2:03:20 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
With all due respect to this native son a specific proposal was not on the ballot nor was the transfer of state assets (roads) to the myrid local transportation politburos. I guess I'm just stupid but I thought I was voting for more money for roads. Stupid me.

But I guess that's what Texas want. I pretty much figured that we didn't care the day the 1/4 percent sales tax went into effect with the promise that "we'll never, ever have to raise it and it'll generate so much money that we will never had to raise property taxes".

Yep, that sure worked out just like they said and based on 60 years of them urinating on my boot and telling me it's raining I feel just great letting them to get into my pocket so much deeper.

Goobermint lovers must be in hog heaven.

33 posted on 10/22/2006 2:03:54 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
If that was helpful, there is a wealth of info at google on Wendell Cox + freight rail.

He also has two websites, Demographia and The Public Purpose.

34 posted on 10/22/2006 2:07:54 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Hydroshock

You already had your vote. Just because some people could not understand the words "toll road" and the phrase "financing the construction, reconstruction, acquisition, and expansion of state highways, including costs of any necessary design and costs of acquisition of rights-of-way, as determined by the commission in accordance with standards and procedures established by law" does not mean that you get a do-over. Take it to the Texas Supreme Court, via your County Commissioners Court. No matter the party affiliation of the Governor. They would be derelict in their duties if they did not follow the law.
Here is another little insight:
"The I-69 corridor starts on the Texas-Mexico border with crossings of the Rio Grande at Laredo, McAllen, and Brownsville. The corridors proceed north and east along U.S. 59, U.S. 281, and U.S. 77 to near Victoria, Texas, where they join and follow U.S. 59 northeast to the Houston area.

From the Houston area, Interstate 69 will continue to follow the U.S. 59 corridor north, bypassing Cleveland, Shepherd, Livingston, Lufkin, and Nacogdoches. From the Nacogdoches area, I-69 will continue to the northeast, passing near Carthage and crossing into Louisiana to the east, and then continuing eastward to I-49 around Stonewall.

There are some existing freeway sections, but most of the existing routes along the I-69 corridor through Texas are rural 4-lane expressways. The U.S. 59 bypass of Nacogdoches and Lufkin is being designed to be part of I-69; other local freeway bypasses may be built before the rural segments are upgraded.

Texas' route also includes a freeway spur between I-69 near Nacogdoches and the west side of Texarkana, which presumably would follow U.S. 59's general path. However, it seems unlikely that both this spur and I-49 (between Texarkana and Shreveport) will be built in the forseeable future, and the I-69 spur may eventually be discarded due to this duplication.

During 2002 and 2003, it was decided that Gov. Rick Perry's Trans Texas Corridor proposal would be the basis for developing Interstate 69 in Texas. Accordingly, the original division of the route into 15 SIUs is being treated as preliminary, and the entire corridor in the state (as well as the connection to national SIU 15 near Shreveport, La.) will be studied using a unified, two-tier Environmental Impact Statement process."

http://www.i69info.com/texas.html


35 posted on 10/22/2006 2:14:19 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Let the voter decide. Does he want the TTC or another $1.50 in gas tax to build the road?

The Legislature anticipated this. Article 3, Section 49-k, (4) (e) is very clear:
The legislature may not dedicate money from the collection of motor vehicle registration fees and taxes on motor fuels and lubricants dedicated by Section 7-a, Article VIII, of this constitution, but it may dedicate money received from other sources that are allocated to the same costs as those dedicated taxes and fees.

There will be NO additional fuel tax, much to the chagrin of the leftists.

36 posted on 10/22/2006 2:21:30 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
The details of this were not public when this vote happened. We need a vote on the TTC. What are you afraid of, that the citizens of TX might not let this happen? Heaven forbid the will of the majority get in the way of Gov Goodhair's schemes.
37 posted on 10/22/2006 2:22:44 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

No, we need a vote on raising the gas tax $1.50 per gallon.


38 posted on 10/22/2006 2:27:35 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

What?!


39 posted on 10/22/2006 2:31:29 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
You want a vote on the TTC?

Let's have a side by side vote between the TTC and Grandma's and/or Kooky's alternative to the TTC.

40 posted on 10/22/2006 2:35:53 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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