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Lots of money, time needed to move rails
San Antonio Express-News ^ | October 22, 2006 | Patrick Driscoll and Gary Scharrer

Posted on 10/22/2006 6:43:23 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 10/22/2006 6:43:25 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; AprilfromTexas; B-Chan; barkeep; ..

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 10/22/2006 6:44:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: All
And, just for the heck of it...

Giving Texas Hold 'Em a new meaning

Brief stops off tollways could cost you.

By Ben Wear

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Sunday, October 22, 2006

So, you've gathered up the family to head to Dallas and decided to take those new Loop 1 and Texas 45 North tollways. But right after Parmer Lane, when you've already entered the pay-to-drive portion going north, a little one in the back seat says he's got to go.

Now.

Welcome to Central Texas' new pay toilet program.

The 41 miles of toll road opening in November and December, along with the other 30 miles due to open by the end of 2007, will not have service stations, stores or restaurants in the median, like many toll roads nationwide. So if you want something to eat or drink, or if nature calls, you'll have to exit and then get back on the tollway. And in most cases, that's going to cost you an extra 50 cents if you pay cash for tolls, 45 cents with an electronic toll tag.

When drivers get back on the tollway, they are still going to go through a main plaza for the express lanes and pay the same toll they would have paid had they not made a stop, on top of the extra entrance fee.

Rest stops in the median, which don't require drivers to exit, "are typical in long-haul toll roads like the (proposed) Trans-Texas Corridor, where there is nothing nearby," said Gaby Garcia, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Transportation's turnpike division.

But the three roads opening Nov. 1 and in December — an extension of MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1), Texas 45 North and Texas 130 — are essentially urban roads. The Loop 1 toll road will be just over three miles long, and Texas 45 North will be 13 miles from end to end. Texas 130 will be about 29 miles to begin with, 49 miles by the end of next year.

Generally, turnpike officials say, the toll points on entrance and exit ramps as well as on the express lanes are situated to assure that there are no free trips.

But there are a few places where you will be able to exit and then re-enter without paying an extra toll on a ramp.

That's true, for instance, at the points where Texas 130 crosses U.S. 290 and Texas 71, as well as at the confluence of Loop 1 and Texas 45 North. As it happens, at least two of those spots (U.S. 290 and the Loop 1/Texas 45 North intersection) are adjacent to developed areas that would have convenience stores and the like.

Most of the 21 places along Texas 130 where drivers will be able to exit, however, are on county and farm-to-market roads that have little or no development and thus little opportunity to address sudden needs.

Junior will just have to wait.

3 posted on 10/22/2006 6:51:40 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Corridors? We'll tell you how to spend your money! Problem is to big for you...Clue to the IES??? /sarc>


4 posted on 10/22/2006 6:55:24 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: Issaquahking

These people can take their envirowhacko corridors and preserves and put 'em where the sun don't shine...


5 posted on 10/22/2006 7:05:43 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


6 posted on 10/22/2006 7:13:01 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is a huge bad idea for a large nuber of reasons.


7 posted on 10/22/2006 7:14:47 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: E.G.C.

bump.


8 posted on 10/22/2006 7:24:42 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: Hydroshock
This is a huge bad idea for a large nuber of reasons.

The rail relocation or the TTC? And whichever it is, it always helps to list some actual reasons.

9 posted on 10/22/2006 7:25:30 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

texas bump


10 posted on 10/22/2006 8:08:02 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Texas has problems with rail traffic just like it has problems with vehicle traffic. It will necessitate a long range solution to provide for the needs.....

Texas has over 10,000+ miles of track, five of the seven US/Mexico rail border crossings, and ranks in the top five in most categories of rail traffic/tonnage, etc. A couple of information sites are as follows.

Railroad Industry -- Railroads and States

Texas Rail System Plan .. Note figure 2.1

11 posted on 10/22/2006 8:29:03 AM PDT by deport (The Governor, The Foghorn, The Dingaling, The Joker, some other fellar...... The Governor Wins)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I've got a question:
Did that railway through Beacon Hill just appear overnight, or was it perhaps already there when the current residents moved in?

This sounds an awful lot like the goofballs who build a house near an airport then complain about the noise and demand runway closures.


12 posted on 10/22/2006 10:03:35 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Hydroshock

"This is a huge bad idea for a large nuber of reasons."
Here is a "nuber" of reasons that it is good and valid, according to the Texas Constitution-

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/txconst/sections/cn000300-49-o00.html

"SECTION 2. This proposed constitutional amendment shall be
submitted to the voters at an election to be held November 8, 2005.
The ballot shall be printed to permit voting for or against the
proposition: "The constitutional amendment creating the Texas rail
relocation and improvement fund and authorizing grants of money and
issuance of obligations for financing the relocation,
rehabilitation, and expansion of rail facilities."




______________________________ ______________________________

President of the Senate Speaker of the House

I certify that H.J.R. No. 54 was passed by the House on April
25, 2005, by the following vote: Yeas 107, Nays 24, 1 present, not
voting.

______________________________
Chief Clerk of the House

I certify that H.J.R. No. 54 was passed by the Senate on May
25, 2005, by the following vote: Yeas 31, Nays 0.

______________________________
Secretary of the Senate



RECEIVED: _____________________

Date





_____________________

Secretary of State"
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/79R/billtext/html/HJ00054F.htm

You seem to resent the will of the voters, and our elected legislature. And please present 1 legislative fact supporting your stance.


13 posted on 10/22/2006 10:28:34 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Hydroshock

Here a a few good reasons from the text of the Texas Constitution-
"(b) The Texas rail relocation and improvement fund is
created in the state treasury. The fund shall be administered by
the commission to provide a method of financing the relocation and
improvement of privately and publicly owned passenger and freight
rail facilities for the purposes of:
(1) relieving congestion on public highways;
(2) enhancing public safety;
(3) improving air quality; or
(4) expanding economic opportunity.


14 posted on 10/22/2006 10:34:01 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
This road is not needed and I will not support this land grab. I do think that something this big and that effects so many Texans and so much land should go to a vote of the people of this state. You do believe in letting people vote do you not? But if it must done Why not do what Harris county does for toll roads, we had a county toll road authority, that sold bonds to build toll roads. But we put limits on it, the tolls only go to the road and nothing else, tolls are collected to pay off the bonds, once the bonds are paid the tolls end, and the authority is only set up to build this road and nothing more unless the voters approve it.
15 posted on 10/22/2006 10:50:51 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
I do think that something this big and that effects so many Texans and so much land should go to a vote of the people of this state.

It did. Twice. On November 6, 2001 WE approved SJR-16 which is now a Texas Constitutional amendment. Specifically Article 3, Section 49-k. The link has been provided, yet here is some of the text:

(b) The Texas Mobility Fund is created in the state treasury and shall be administered by the commission as a revolving fund to provide a method of financing the construction, reconstruction, acquisition, and expansion of state highways, including costs of any necessary design and costs of acquisition of rights-of-way, as determined by the commission in accordance with standards and procedures established by law.
(c) Money in the fund may also be used to provide participation by the state in the payment of a portion of the costs of constructing and providing publicly owned toll roads and other public transportation projects in accordance with the procedures, standards, and limitations established by law.

On November 8, 2005 Texans also overwhelmingly approved HJR 54 from the 79th Legislature. It was phrased ""The constitutional amendment creating the Texas rail relocation and improvement fund and authorizing grants of money and issuance of obligations for financing the relocation, rehabilitation, and expansion of rail facilities."

This became Article 3, Section 49-o of the Texas Constitution.
By your own admission, the Governorship of the State of Texas is a "weak" position. The Legislature, and the voters have amendmended the Constitution to improve our infrastructure. There has been NO challenge presented to the Texas Supreme Court. Each County Commissioners Court has the ability to act. The fact that not one CCC has fought this should be noted. Your stance is obstructionist, and in complete defiance to the will of the Legislature and the voters. I dare call it a socialist stance.

16 posted on 10/22/2006 11:18:27 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
This monster was not ever put before the people. If you think it is needed then put it like it is up to a vote. Not just some vaguely worded amendments but this in detail.
17 posted on 10/22/2006 11:23:50 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Dog Gone
Hydro,
On the upside, you are the ONLY FRiend that has stuck to your conviction and stance on this issue. While I may consider it a misguided stance fueled by the very effective disinformation campaign sponsored by Bell, Strayhorn, and Kinky; you exhibit tenacity. I respect that.
18 posted on 10/22/2006 11:28:32 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

This needs to be put to a vote. And I do agree there is nto goo option in this election. But I am agains Gov Goodhair because he:
1. He lied to me about tax saving (blatant and unforgivable, I do not like being played)
2. TTC land grab
3. New higher taxes


19 posted on 10/22/2006 11:32:53 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Redbob

Rails have been there since 1870s.


20 posted on 10/22/2006 11:35:27 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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