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To: Junior
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

Yes, of course, we have a First Amendment. Study where the Founders got their ideas. They made MANY quotes from the Bible in their writings. The idea of man having unalienable rights is derived from a belief in God. See the Declaration of Independence, paragraph 2. Paragraph 1 is also very interesting.

If you are just the end result of a long series of random events, what rights are you claiming? What rights CAN you claim? What makes your random event so special?

"Once man's connection to the divine is denied, you can reason yourself from here to anywhere." from Ann Coulter, "Godless", pg. 277.

That there is order in the universe is a fact so basic, and the idea of 'random self-organization' is so flawed, there HAS to be an intelligence behind all of it.

430 posted on 10/21/2006 8:41:43 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: hripka
If you are just the end result of a long series of random events, what rights are you claiming? What rights CAN you claim? What makes your random event so special?

I can claim the same rights I would if there were a God. What is a right? It is the freedom to do something as long as I do not infringe upon another's life, liberty or property. Tell me how that is a product of the divine? And don't go quoting the Declaration of Independence as if it were divine Scripture. It isn't. It was written by men with the understanding of men. Rights are simply a product of reason and flow from the universal "Golden Rule."

435 posted on 10/21/2006 9:11:21 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: hripka
That there is order in the universe is a fact so basic, and the idea of 'random self-organization' is so flawed, there HAS to be an intelligence behind all of it.

You are appealing to a logical fallacy.
441 posted on 10/21/2006 9:58:14 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: hripka
"Once man's connection to the divine is denied, you can reason yourself from here to anywhere." from Ann Coulter, "Godless", pg. 277.

Ann is simply wrong-headed. Once man's connection to reality is denied, you can reason yourself to anywhere.

Whether that "divine" is part of reality or merely the fantasy result of falling into the trap of reification/anthropomorphism, is a whole separate issue. It is not fundamental to morality.

447 posted on 10/21/2006 3:59:14 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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