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To: Mrs. Don-o
You don't know, with your scorpion-mind, that there would be any recovery whatsoever after death.

That is not in line with the "Jesus is God" doctrine. He knew who he was while he was human. Colossians 2 said Jesus had all treasures of wisdom and knowledge, and Matthew said he had all power in Heaven and Earth. This is not an ignorant barnacle.

246 posted on 10/19/2006 12:04:21 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
No, but here's the paradox: he was True Man as well as True God. As Man, he didn't learn to speak until Mary taught him Ma-Ma and he "grew in wisdom and stature" (as Luke says) meaning he went from littler to bigger.

Jesus as Man didn't have any divine cushions that made his sacrifice less extreme.

Not a barnacle? Paul says he "emptied himself." Kenosis. In the Psalms, speaking in prophecy, the Messiah says "Scorned by men and despised by the people, I am a worm, not a man."

263 posted on 10/19/2006 1:37:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
P.S. on my previous post. It is WE who I said are like barnacles on the hull of a nuclear submarine. We depend on Hm (all of us, believers and non-believers) but He is far beyond our scrutiny.

Inasmuch as Jesus Christ is True Man, He too had this status: his human will acted in faith and trust, not in divine omniscience.

This is why the Epistle to the Hebrews says that Jesus "though he was the Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered."

Why "learned," if He was acting on the basis of divine omniscience?

Why "obedience," if He acted in His divine nature as Sovereign Lord of all?

Why "suffered," if He dwells in endless bliss?

Why? Because He was emptied of all the glory of His divinity.

Because "for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate: He suffered and was buried."

266 posted on 10/19/2006 1:55:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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