Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S

Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

[Dimensio]

That there is order in the universe is a fact so basic, and the idea of 'random self-organization' is so flawed, there HAS to be an intelligence behind all of it.

You are appealing to a logical fallacy.

[Elsie]

These are THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND OF THE EARTH when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Simple English.

"These are..." pertains to what FOLLOWS; not was has supposedly gone on before.

[Elsie]

If a person truly sees "no value in their soul" they would have absolutely no religious beliefs, and probably no conscience.

Maybe; but you can look around you and find many that value not their status as Americas; specifically USA citizens.

[Just mythoughts]

No Elsie it is describing the previous sixth day creation of man in flesh in Genesis 1. Else you believe in evolution on a fast pace scale. DNA which is not altered or falsified agrees with Genesis account.

[tacticalogic]

Maybe; but you can look around you and find many that value not their status as Americas; specifically USA citizens.

I can indeed, but I don't see that as being the same as "seeing no value in their soul".

I've seen several instances right here on FR of people who seem to value their souls, and their place in the Kingdom of God. At the same time they maintain that the USA has become corrupt and has fallen from Grace and they feel no sense of the responsibility of citizenship because of it.

[antiRepublicrat]

Buddha never claimed to be able to forgive sins, so Joe is still stuck with that little problem.

But Christians are still stuck with the problem of not being able to follow the path to enlightenment.

[jennyp]

"Once man's connection to the divine is denied, you can reason yourself from here to anywhere." from Ann Coulter, "Godless", pg. 277.

Ann is simply wrong-headed. Once man's connection to reality is denied, you can reason yourself to anywhere.

Whether that "divine" is part of reality or merely the fantasy result of falling into the trap of reification/anthropomorphism, is a whole separate issue. It is not fundamental to morality.

[Elsie]

So you're saying the treaty lied and yet Congress ratified it and the president signed it?

like this has never HAPPENED before? (or since?)

[Elsie]

So you're saying the treaty lied and yet Congress ratified it and the president signed it?

like this one treaty somehow trumps ALL the documents written that founded this Nation?

[Elsie]

Perhaps it's just one of those common-sense things, that lots of people have stumbled upon over the years ;)

Uh, I read the he died...

Perhaps it's a faint echo of God that created the whole mess, long ago.

[Elsie]

Perhaps I've tarred too many with my broad brush.

[Elsie]

But Christians are still stuck with the problem of not being able to follow the path to enlightenment.

You are SO right!

We want to be on the NARROW 'path', NOW that big, wide one!

[Elsie]

NOW NOT

[Elsie]

[Speel check is about useless!]

[Junior]

The Constitution is the founding document of this nation. The Declaration of Independence simply broke the colonies away from England. Please point out where, in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation. For that matter, please point out in the DoI where it says we are a Christian nation.

[tacticalogic]

Perhaps. I'm seeing a little more enthusiasm for mixing theology and politics than I think is wise. Hyperbole is the stuff of political debates. When the language and tactics of politics find it's way into theology it is corrosive. I think the original idea of "separation of church and state" was more for the protection of religion from government and politics. That line is not absolute by any means, but I think in needs to be crossed with some trepidation.

[Elsie]

Do I have too?

[Elsie]

 

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To: JHBowden

I think that you are missing the depth of Christian beliefs that were present/needed at our founding.

There is some quote by (one of the Adams?) stating that our form of government is only meant for a Christian, moral people. (I probably mangled this, but its close).

We are living on a reservoir of Christian faith that founded this great nation. Sadly, that reservoir is declining, hopefully it can be turned around.

398 posted on 10/20/2006 11:37:45 PM CDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)

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Shouldn't you be having this conversation  with hripka?

 

 

It was this that got you started posting a doocument from the US Government, that you think makes us NOT a 'Christian' nation.

 

 

BTW, #398 never CLAIMED that we are a 'Christian' Nation, merely that Christian BELIEFS and a Christian MAJORITY. and Christian FAITH were a driving

 (but now declining) force with which to be reckoned.

[Just mythoughts]

Why on earth would there even be a question about this government way back in 1796 being 'Christian'? There had to be a concern for it to be required writing in a treaty that the 'government' was not a Christian government.

So obviously since a diplomat wrote the language and he was the one who was dealing with the 'Mussulmen' knew they would not sign a treaty without the explicit words that the US government was not pushing Christianity on the Mussulmen.

England on the other hand was a monarchy and the monarch's duty was and is protector of the Faith. US was/is NOT a monarchy. That is NOT disputing that fact that the Constitution is very Biblical, especially that part where rights endowed by the Creator no man/government can take.

Those words set this nation apart from all other nations, which is what liberalism seeks to replace themselves as giver and taker of 'rights'.

[Junior]

So you're saying, just like Elsie, that no matter what the official word was, and not matter the lack of evidence to the contrary, the treaty was actually a lie to appease the Moslems.

Dream on, little man.