Posted on 10/18/2006 12:14:50 PM PDT by JoAnka
A good idea, whose time has come. A lively debate, and open minded people who arent religiously bowing to the religious altar of Charles Darwin.,
'"That is a heritage of communism when evolutionary doctrines were taught in schools like a kind of religion."
Communism = Liberalism....Take note Dummiecrats
You mean that contrary to most evolutionists opinions that there are "real" scientists who consider evolution a lie? This is great!!!!
Let's see their published research refuting it.
Ping...
Once I read something about a Russian scientist, who claims that vodka cures cancer.
That will keep the creationists at bay, because they know the flood myth can't be supported. Some of the early creationist planners for ID advocated ID precisely because "it will divert attention from Noah's flood [where our arguments are weak]."
Science follows a specific method, called the scientific method.
When scientists stop following that method, they are no longer doing science.
Here is a good example: The Creation Research Society has the following on their home page:
The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation. The Society was organized in 1963 by a committee of ten like-minded scientists, and has grown into an organization with an international membership.Lets see what else they say.
All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:
1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.
3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.
4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.
Does this sound like science to you? Does this sound like research?
Anytime preconceived beliefs, such as these, override the scientific method, an individual is doing apologetics, not science. It doesn't matter what scientific degrees one may have; to agree to a set of standards such as this, which is common (whether explicit or implicit) in creationist circles, is to cease doing science.
Darwinian evolutionism requires a leap of faith as well. I'd like to see less of prejudice and labelling and more of an honest discussion. I'd like to see evolutionists present actual arguments against creationism as well as for evolutionism and not just silence the other side by calling them nuts.
I have been presenting evidence in these threads for years. Creationists often either hand-wave that evidence away, no matter what it is, or occasionally tell me I'm an atheist and headed for hell.
But, since you asked for evidence we'll give it a try:
This is a transitional fossil. Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the upper center):
Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)
Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)
Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)
Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)
Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)
Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)
Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)
Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)
See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33
Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html
You are aboslutely right, because creationists do not believe the flood is a "myth". They believe it is a fact and therefore can't and won't offer support for a "myth". Creationists are only interested in facts unlike the evolutionists who dwell on theories which include the big lie.
...yet can provide no credible evidence for this 'fact'. Which pretty much demonstrates their methodology in a nutshell.
No, Dave, they were given a hard time because they compromised critical scholarly standards in whorish support of their creationist beliefs. In short, they acted unprofessionally and their reputations suffered as a result. Big surprise. Try being a Catholic priest who uses the Eucharist for making peanut-butter crackers, for example, and see what happens to your reputation and your job prospects.
Similarly, being an anti-evolutionist who tells nothing but the truth is a career-limiting move.
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