Posted on 10/17/2006 4:59:44 PM PDT by SierraWasp
Please notice how deftly the author tries to subtly and stealthily submarine Prop 90!!! This is rife with subliminal suggestions that this awful proposition could strike at the very heart of aggressive government central planners!!!
[If Prop. 90 passes, cities could no longer use eminent domain to assemble land for private developers but must rely solely on the willingness of landowners to sell. Agencies could still use it for publicly owned projects such as roads.]
Well imagine having to rely on the landowner to agree to sell. Just darn.
This is rich indeed. Private property rights trump all. When this changes we'll all get acquainted with the exact length and width of the shaft. Sure, there are rare exceptions to this rule - but the concept of eminent domain is absurdly out of hand.
Kind of consistent, isn't it, considering the source???
I swear, if there wasn't the Proposition system in California, the State would be a third world country.
There are two basic rights in the Constitution - - they are the right to person and the right to property. All of the enumerated freedoms speak to examples of those rights or enforcement of those rights. The enumerated powers were not designed to trump those rights but rather to work within and alongside those rights.
Is this the end of the end of the Coastal Commission and it's mandates...
That we are forced to go this route is an affront to everything the Founders believed. IMO, every SCOTUS justice who went along with this abomination should have been impeached.
While I served a term on our county board, one lady came before us pleading for the county to buy her property for it's "assessed valuation" (far below market value) since the new "General Plan" had effectively made her property un-sellable! No one would buy it at ANY price.
My fellow board members just could NOT see a problem with this and thought I was absolutely NUTS to tie the proceedings up for weeks in an effort to help them see that this damsel was in distress and that government was NOT being her friend!!!
Investment backed expectations mean absolutely NOTHING to these ELECTED board members and the "community" slumbers on while individuals get financially crucified in America!!! Welcome to the USSA!!! (Oh! And this isn't as bad as the eminent domain thing)
There is always abuse. Do you think, on the whole, the ability of Californians, to directly petition the people is a good thing or bad?
See #12 for similar situation as what you've described.
Huh? I no comprehende', Senor!!!
"if there wasn't the Proposition system in California, the State would be a third world country."
When did the Pdroposition system ever do anything but slow down the California race to be a 3rd world country?
Hmmmm.
I'll have to give Lisa a call and find out what her personal take is on Prop 90. She's young, yet, but shows some promise if she doesn't get sucked into the swirling vortex surrounding here at the CoCoTimes. That'll be RALLY hard if she values her paycheck above her principles, but it isn't impossible.
Stepping back from the proposition pro/con and simply reading the article as a journalistic exerceise, I thought she did a fair job of peppering cites both pro and con throughout the article to give a decent picture of both sides of the coin. This isn't part of what's posted, but if you click the link to the CoCoTimes you can look down at the very bottom and see that she simply lists a few recent local cases involving eminent domain. So, it appears that, at least on the face of it, she wasn't making any attepmt to take sides, and, overall, I thought her presentation fairly dispassionate; a decent attempt to inform as to the players and points on the tabel in this debate.
Now, of course, the cites against Prop 90 are just so much unfiltered bilgewater, but saying so wasn't the goal Lisa's boss had in mind when assigning her the article.
Well, you and your lawyer had better giddy up and start suing, cause these control freaks are gonna rip you and your investment/wallet a new one... bet on it! I've lived among 'em for four years!!!
If you were stupid enough to have bought into a "Planned Development" aka "gated communutty," you will also have bought into a legal concept in CA RE law called "equitable servitude!" I assure you it is actually "involuntary servitude" aka "slavery" after you move in!!!
Have you ever listened to Phil Hendrie and his character "Bobbie Doolie?" She's the PRESIDENT (read tyrant) of the Western Propertyowners Homeowners Association and brother Czar, it's one of the funniest comedy routines I believe I've ever heard in my life!!! She is the "Czar" of those poor subjects of her's to be sure!!!
I see Prop 90 has the usual collection of collectivists upset.
OH, GOD!!!! We can't steal private land for government nature reserves without paying compensation. Why, that's bloody hell un-American.
"Open space and wildlife protections would disappear..."
No, Ms. Marxist, you are entitled to all the private land you want for red-legged frogs as long as you pay for it. Now you might end up paying a million bucks an acre, but that's what market-based economics is all about. Plus paying compensation for land RESTRICTS THIEVING GOVERNMENT FROM STEALING PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!
Does this hack writer have even a vague clue what fascism is or soviet socialism?
"People forget that the value of their property increases when good planning exists," Kahn said...."
Now that's the kind of blabber I'd expect from the chief goosestepper at the American Planning Association.
No, you're wrong, Ms. Smarxist Growth. The purpose of property is not to hope its value increases due to "good planning." The purpose of private property is to advance individual freedom, you Marxist moron.
BTW, the apparatchniks at APA are passing out a planning book to all legislatures in all the states that they want all states to pass into law. Tucked away in the soft law gobbledygook is a proposal to fine and eventually seize property that does not conform to a planning committees notion of "community aesthetics."
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