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To: GovernmentShrinker
Very few babies born to welfare mothers and illegal immigrants grow up to pay their fair share of the nation's total tax bill.

Do you have any stats on that? I know some people that grew up on welfare who are very successful.

Where did I defend immigration laws that keep out skilled German workers who could fill positions that employers can't find Americans to fill?

You said this:

And every time I read a leftist MSM sob story about a "hard working" illegal immigrant, the justification given for their illegal activity is the large brood of children they have.

That implies you oppose even hard working immigrants if they enter the country illegally and have a lot of children. Are you carving out an exception for Germans and/or immigrants with few children?

Though the issue of a shortage of American workers to fill skilled positions is really specious. If we spent half the money on retraining displaced American workers, that we spend "saving" crack babies born to women who should have been sterilized after they popped out their first crack baby, and educating the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th children of people who have never made a net financial contribution to our country and have never paid the full tab for even ONE of their children, there would be plenty of American workers with the skills employers need.

So apparently you'd rather increase taxes to try to lure Americans into unpopular professions rather than allow even skillful, hard working, childless Germans to fill those jobs.

Companies would be a lot more willing to finance the training of workers they need, if they weren't having 50% of their profits confiscated in taxes, with a big chunk of that going to subsidize the continued overbreeding of people who are incapable of and/or unwilling to be trained for meaningful work.

Not necessarily, but do you not see the inconsistency between opposing the overtaxing of profitable companies and denying them access to overseas labor supplies? By forcibly prohibiting companies from importing labor you're in effect taxing their profits (and hence their customers) by forcing them to subsidize less competent American workers.

If you want to see how "productive" people are in countries where they breed like feral cats, I suggest you pay visits to places like Somalia and Nigeria and Malawi

Their problems are not overpopulation, but rather tyrannical governments. You sound like one of those liberal overpopulation nuts who believes that birth control is the answer to third world poverty.

38 posted on 10/17/2006 11:32:24 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: ravinson

Sure there are people who grew up on welfare who are successful, but it's the exception, not the rule. Our large cities all have large and growing populations of 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation welfare recipients. And they reproduce early and often.

I'm not in favor of any illegal immigration. When a nation is economically successful and maintains a huge handout system, it becomes a magnet for illegal immigrants. Aside from the huge strain on our country, it does nothing to improve the long term situation in the countries they're coming from. Germans are no exception. As I pointed out, the shortage of skilled American workers is an artificial consequence of the creeping socialism which infects our country. Huge taxes are imposed which maintain schools that turn out poorly educated students, and people at the low end of the economic ladder are incentivized to stay on welfare because of all the food, housing, and medical care handouts. Who wants to do the strenuous manual labor that many illegal Mexican immigrants do, when you can stay in your temperature-controlled home, eating junk food and watching TV, all at taxpayer expense? We don't have a shortage of low-level workers, we have an expensive system of disincentivizing them to work, and incentivizing them to have babies who will be raised in a no-work-ethic household. I don't want to have my hard-earned money going to support these idiotic schemes, and then be told that the solution their dismal failure is to import workers from other countries, while the US welfare rolls and public school budgets continue to swell. When we are no longer be taxed to support a non-productive underclass, then let businesses import all the workers they like -- legally. Until then, businesses should feel the same pressure that individuals do, to call a halt to tax-and-spend schemes that yield no reward. If they're allowed to circumvent a lot of that pressure by importing workers on an unlimited basis, they'll continue to bankroll the campaigns of tax-and-spend politicians.

Overpopulation BREEDS tyrannical government. Nobody can afford to think about anything except how to get enough food to get through the day, and the desperate masses are always eager to believe the promises of tyrannical leaders. Look at Russia/Soviet Union: in the early 20th century there were hungry masses of peasants, all with large broods of children to feed, and they supported the Communist takeover with all its empty promises; by the late 20th century, they'd all but stopped reproducing and next thing you know Communism was out. Same pattern is being followed in China: starving masses embrace communism, under pressure from government which can't find any other way to deliver to the promised improvements in standard of living, the masses, go along with a draconian birth control program; in time, the standard of living improves, and the adults who grew up as only children or one of two, and aren't starving, have the wherewithal to start breaking down the communist tyranny. The rise of Germany's Third Reich was preceded by very rapid population growth, and an accompanying drop in standard of living. Good luck finding an example of a tyrannical government coming to power in a country which didn't have a high birth rate with a dropping standard of living.


42 posted on 10/18/2006 9:29:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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