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Denmark an Example After Transfat Ban
Associated Press ^ | 10/16/2006 | Maria Cheng

Posted on 10/17/2006 7:08:12 AM PDT by xrp

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To: longtermmemmory
This is like trying to market sacarin as sugar and not telling anyone.

Uh, I think most people, if not all, know that transfats are bad to eat. And I believe the food labeling laws already require the transfats to be listed.

And in a restaurant, all you have to do is ask. If they can't tell you what the transfat level is in a food, don't order it.

41 posted on 10/17/2006 9:59:08 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: A. Pole
Do not worry, your corporations will not go bankrupt because of this ban.

The government will be coming for you next. But who will be left to speak for you?

42 posted on 10/17/2006 10:00:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Uh, you're supposed to think about it before you order it.

How are you suppose to know that your getting it if it is not posted or banned????.

43 posted on 10/17/2006 10:01:55 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
How are you suppose to know that your getting it if it is not posted or banned????

Ask.

44 posted on 10/17/2006 10:06:33 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
ASK?

every time I go to a restaurant I need to check with the matre'd and ask if there is poison in my food???

....it seems the pure food and drug act that one of my favorite presidents instituted (T.R.) and now called the FDA should prevent poisons from being called food.
45 posted on 10/17/2006 10:09:32 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: MEGoody

right, sorry but too many restaurants may not have a clue.

It is like restaurants which don't actually USE MSG but use chicken bullion cubes which themselves have MSG.

At some point there ARE some things that should be subject to regulation and/or standards.

For example O'Doules is marketed as Alchohol free but it still has alchohol in it. Enough to still be forbidden for those defendants on DUI/DWI probation.

These are not cigarettes,
These are not alchohol
These are not even carbonated soda

This is an ingredient which has dubious value.

For example there are regulations regading the amount of insect parts permitted in food. People should be free to unknowingly buy food with ground up bug parts because it is cheeper to NOT keep a factory clean?

If the science can support it, then transfats should be considered for a ban.


46 posted on 10/17/2006 10:16:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lazamataz
I will not be satisfied until there is a government plan that regulates every single activity I engage in, or contemplate engaging in, every single day of my life.

That would be way too complicated. In the interest of smaller and leaner government, I propose the following:

Make staying in bed a Class One felony.

Make getting out of bed a Class One felony.

Throw in a little selective enforcement and everything that's icky would go away.

47 posted on 10/17/2006 10:19:57 AM PDT by BikerTrash
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To: longtermmemmory
right, sorry but too many restaurants may not have a clue.

If they can't tell you what's in it, don't order it.

At some point there ARE some things that should be subject to regulation and/or standards.

I wouldn't have a problem with a law that states restaurants have to have a list of the ingredients in anything they serve. I DO have a problem with forbidding restaurants from serving certain things.

48 posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Vaquero
every time I go to a restaurant I need to check with the matre'd and ask if there is poison in my food???

Gee, is it too hard for you to take responsibility for yourself? Do you need nanny to take care of you?

49 posted on 10/17/2006 10:23:45 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: longtermmemmory

I need help living my life. Please regulate me.


50 posted on 10/17/2006 10:29:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a pathological disorder masquerading as a religion.)
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To: longtermmemmory
People should be free to unknowingly buy food with ground up bug parts because it is cheeper to NOT keep a factory clean?

Of course. There will always be bug parts in food, as long as food is grown out in the open. It's not a matter of keeping factories clean; it's a matter of using enough pesticides to keep most (never all) of the bugs off the food, and then processing the food to a sufficient degree to remove most (never all) of the bug parts that came into the factory with the food.

But wait! Food processing and pesticides are supposed to be bad for you too. Too bad.

51 posted on 10/17/2006 11:16:26 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: MEGoody

Nannystate....absolutely not. Nanny state is telling you that you cant eat something you know is bad for you and if you want to kill yourself with crappy food that is your business and the government should bow out.

this goes beyond nanny state. This is tantamount to slow murder on the part of food suppliers. Someone opens a business and kills you with quick poison, you put them on trial and punish them. but someone sells you slow poison and kills you slowly with the crap and you cant put them on trial for murder. If a business wants to use it, well ok then, but at least let the people know the stuff has the transfat or whatever other crap is in it.

I personally have very bad food allergies, and I avoid restaurants like the plague anyway. the few times I do go, I do check with the management to make sure that what is harmful to me is not in the food. But food should not be sold that can do harm, without a posting being displayed to tell me what it is.

Someone posted that lard or butter was a good thing....well they are right. It is real food from real food sources....Transfat is synthetic and harmful.


52 posted on 10/17/2006 12:04:22 PM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: xrp
I have never smoked, but I hear that tobacco can be pleasurable. Still, I must admit to dispising tobacco. My Mom is near death due to COPD from smoking since she was 18.
Banning Transfats is easier than tobacco and more justified. Banning Transfats would not be noticed by anyone, except that perhaps the restaurants might incur small cost increases. Canola oil cost a little more. However, the benefits are significant for the little cost. With tobacco, people would have no substitute for tobacco.

I have asked restaurants to tell me what kind of oils and butters they use. NONE have felt the need to tell me. I either get a strange look from the waitress or an refusal to even inquire. Sometimes they come back and say that they don't know.
53 posted on 10/17/2006 12:13:50 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Vaquero
If a business wants to use it, well ok then, but at least let the people know the stuff has the transfat or whatever other crap is in it.

I would agree with that.

Someone posted that lard or butter was a good thing....well they are right.

The American Heart Association would disagree with you on that. Therefore, restaurants should have to reveal the amount of fats included in foods, even if they come from butter and lard. And while they are at it, they need to tell us how much sugar is included in the foods they serve.

54 posted on 10/17/2006 12:28:45 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: longtermmemmory

"Trans fats" include things like "partially hydrogenated soybean oil." Partial hydrogenation reduces the number of double bonds in the oil, raising the melting point. It also introduces some trans- double bonds into molecules which are normally all cis-. It is the basis for the modern production of inexpensive margarine. The campaign to ban trans fats is a campaign to ban partially-hydrogenated plant oils. I guess we can go back to the original margarine, which was made from clarified beef fat. That should make the vegans happy.

Trans fats are not poisonous; they are merely not the best things in the world to eat in large quantities. The same can be said of beer, chicken eggs, and jabanero peppers. Perhaps we should ban them.


55 posted on 10/17/2006 12:44:12 PM PDT by miketheprof
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To: xrp
Just like cigarettes. Should those be banned also?

Maybe so.... It is the only product on the market that when used as directed will likely kill you.

56 posted on 10/17/2006 3:56:56 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Maybe so.... It is the only product on the market that when used as directed will likely kill you.

So you're saying that free will and choice should be regulated (approved) by the government.

Why are you on a conservative forum again?

57 posted on 10/17/2006 4:06:00 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: Vaquero
it seems the pure food and drug act that one of my favorite presidents instituted (T.R.) and now called the FDA should prevent poisons from being called food.

Exactly. Trans-fat offers no nutritional value, and it is essentially poisonous to the human body. The amount in American food is astonishing.

58 posted on 10/17/2006 4:06:43 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: xrp
So you're saying that free will and choice should be regulated (approved) by the government.

No, I am saying the government should regulate the content of foods sold to the public, which is within its power under Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution.

Why are you on a conservative forum again?

Because I am a conservative. Are you for free will and choice when it comes to prostitution, drugs, and pornography?

59 posted on 10/17/2006 4:10:06 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Vaquero

Anti trans fat here. I prolly don't eat too many because I don't eat fast food French fries and supermarket pastries (twinkies) larded down with trans fats


60 posted on 10/17/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by dennisw (I favor aguset worker prtogram but only for jhjn)
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